Changing steering column UJs advice needed
Changing steering column UJs advice needed
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fatjon

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2,299 posts

242 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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Well, as the title says really. I assume there are two of them, are they a real bh in which case Raceproved will be getting a stty job next week or are they dead easy?

It's now so bad that I'm not keen on driving it 40 miles to get them done.


Gazzab

21,638 posts

311 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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I thought that the normal prob was road dirt on the racks UJ's with the steering then going 'square'. You can clean them up and grease them (and CV boot them?) to keep you going...?

fatjon

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2,299 posts

242 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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the "square" description fits. Very stiff and lumpy through parts of the rotation + no self centering to speak of. I believe that one is accessible from the drivers wheel arch. Should image that's the one to start with. Is the other inside the car?


Gazzab

21,638 posts

311 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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I think youre right re drivers side wheel arch. I'd clean it up and grease it.

Boosted Cerb

556 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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Both accessible from the drivers wheel arch, neither are in the car, although the one closest to the rack is better accessed below the F1 panel.

I've had them wear (dead spot when turning the wheel off centre) and seize as you've just described. But also had the square feeling because they may need a slight bit of fettling!! The UJ's are at such an angle the edges need to be filed down so they don't contact each other as they rotate, just the corners taken off.

Although that applies for new ones mainly, maybe yours have moved or not set right??

To replace the UJ's requires removing the steering shaft that connects them together. All four clamp bolts on the UJ's need to be removed, each UJ needs to be knocked away from each other to allow enough room to disjoint the steering shaft out of the end of one of the UJ's. Takes a bit of time but best advise is to use a wedge to open the UJ clamps up a bit to let the shaft come out easier.

Do it yourself, where the fun in paying someone else....or am I just delusional!!

Rich.


ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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Boosted Cerb said:
Both accessible from the drivers wheel arch, neither are in the car, although the one closest to the rack is better accessed below the F1 panel.

I've had them wear (dead spot when turning the wheel off centre) and seize as you've just described. But also had the square feeling because they may need a slight bit of fettling!! The UJ's are at such an angle the edges need to be filed down so they don't contact each other as they rotate, just the corners taken off.

Although that applies for new ones mainly, maybe yours have moved or not set right??

To replace the UJ's requires removing the steering shaft that connects them together. All four clamp bolts on the UJ's need to be removed, each UJ needs to be knocked away from each other to allow enough room to disjoint the steering shaft out of the end of one of the UJ's. Takes a bit of time but best advise is to use a wedge to open the UJ clamps up a bit to let the shaft come out easier.

Do it yourself, where the fun in paying someone else....or am I just delusional!!

Rich.
Agree with all of the above and easily a job for the amateur. One thing though, make sure you do them up TIGHT, even a little bit loose will give you a bit of "deadband" around the straight-ahead.

Also for reference, the bolts need to line up with the cut outs on the shaft.

vroom

665 posts

313 months

Tuesday 1st March 2011
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2 things

1) I had play in the bottom one. So I just tightened it up...

2) IIRC here are 2 sizes of UJ. Make sure you get the right size(s)


Brummmie

5,284 posts

250 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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I also had to buzz the corners off, otherwise the edges bind with each other.

fatjon

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2,299 posts

242 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Thanks for all the helpful replies. I'll get my overalls on at the weekend.


JensenA

5,671 posts

259 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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You'll also find a good Molegrip essential. Clamp it on the shaft so you have something to hammer against to 'pull' the shaft out of the splined UJ.

fatjon

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2,299 posts

242 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Got it on the ramp this afternoon, cleaned and greased them. Sorted, also changed front arb bushes, change out of 90 minutes and totally fixed. Thanks all!


spongy

2,236 posts

190 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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fatjon said:
Got it on the ramp this afternoon, cleaned and greased them. Sorted, also changed front arb bushes, change out of 90 minutes and totally fixed. Thanks all!
Good job sircool

FarmyardPants

4,372 posts

247 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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My UJs are binding, symptoms as described above. Questions: can they be fixed in situ or do they have to be removed? If the former (otherwise it'll be going to APM - hi Andy!) what is the best method? I was thinking front of car up, wd or gunk to clean them, spin steering, re-grease, repeat. Anyone done that? Thx

fatjon

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2,299 posts

242 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Dead easy. You want it in the air a few inches so you can move the steering wheel easily. Lather them up with penetrating oil thoroughly, quick scrub up with a wire brush all round the joints then rinse of with more pen oil. Repeat until they free up and the cover them in thick grease and work them to an fro until its found its way into the joints. I then wrapped a plastic bag around them with some cable ties to keep the muck out of them. Also worth a bit of time cleaning up the joint where the steering shaft goes into the rack, that was also grotty and dragging a bit. Not a garage job really, bit easier with the wheel off on the drivers side.

FarmyardPants

4,372 posts

247 months

Monday 11th July 2011
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Great, thanks for the advice. Will give it a go and report back. thumbup

FarmyardPants

4,372 posts

247 months

Friday 29th July 2011
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Just to update, scrubbed them with with the wife's toothbrush and WD40 and white spirit and regreased - all fixed. The steering is much lighter. thumbup