Post-repair pic (90)and diagnose current symptoms...
Discussion
For everyone who loved seeing my 'defender vs black ice' photo, here's a photo of the repaired vehicle. Very very pleased with her cosmetically. But there are issues....please read on.... *rolls eyes*
Ok problems:
1) as mentioned in previous thread: I assumed battery was flattish - probably as a result of very little use over the last 10 weeks. I left her on charger/conditioner for 48 hours. No joy. Turns over. doesn't start....BUT did this morning for some reason (hadn't had it back on charger), so thought I'd take her out for a proper drive...
2) less than half mile down the road the engine warning light (orange) came on. Power dropped off, so I eased off....and it all seemed fine...but I turned back and headed for home....same thing happened again....then turning up our drive...
3) NO GEARS??!?!? clutch went down fine, and I shifted into gear, but engine just revved....as if the gear hadn't engaged properly.
Car was driving like a dream before the accident. About november time I had had the orange engine light (with associated limp mode power down) and that was fixed with glow plugs and maf sensor (I think). And I'd had a new battery on. So for a month before the 'ice episode' it was driving brilliantly.
Any thoughts re starting/power issue, the engine light/limp mode and the gear select prob?
I'm not mechanical so go gentle
The car did go down with a good old thump in the accident so wondering if these sound like the sort of things that could be associated with a crash? Friend mentioned 'gear linkage' re. the gear select prob?
Frustrating. Just want her back and running proper.
Thoughts and comments all welcome.
Ok problems:
1) as mentioned in previous thread: I assumed battery was flattish - probably as a result of very little use over the last 10 weeks. I left her on charger/conditioner for 48 hours. No joy. Turns over. doesn't start....BUT did this morning for some reason (hadn't had it back on charger), so thought I'd take her out for a proper drive...
2) less than half mile down the road the engine warning light (orange) came on. Power dropped off, so I eased off....and it all seemed fine...but I turned back and headed for home....same thing happened again....then turning up our drive...
3) NO GEARS??!?!? clutch went down fine, and I shifted into gear, but engine just revved....as if the gear hadn't engaged properly.
Car was driving like a dream before the accident. About november time I had had the orange engine light (with associated limp mode power down) and that was fixed with glow plugs and maf sensor (I think). And I'd had a new battery on. So for a month before the 'ice episode' it was driving brilliantly.
Any thoughts re starting/power issue, the engine light/limp mode and the gear select prob?
I'm not mechanical so go gentle
The car did go down with a good old thump in the accident so wondering if these sound like the sort of things that could be associated with a crash? Friend mentioned 'gear linkage' re. the gear select prob?
Frustrating. Just want her back and running proper.
Thoughts and comments all welcome.
Right (and no laughing at the back please...please don't tell anyone ) the gear issue is now solved. It was me being thick with transfer box and not being super au fait with it hadn't thought to check it...I'd clearly knocked it out some how.
So bit happier now as there's no gear box issue.
Any thoughts re my intermittent starting issue? It did just start now fine though...
And the engine light coming on and it going into Limp home Mode?
) the gear issue is now solved. It was me being thick with transfer box and not being super au fait with it hadn't thought to check it...I'd clearly knocked it out some how.So bit happier now as there's no gear box issue.
Any thoughts re my intermittent starting issue? It did just start now fine though...
And the engine light coming on and it going into Limp home Mode?
Edited by tomw2000 on Sunday 6th March 21:28
I had confusing and weird issues with the immobiliser on my TD5 (and yeah, I know yours is a Pooma and it still drives but hear me out.....)
The fault on mine was eventually traced to a teeny tiny short on, wait for it, the front near side sidelight, which was sending random wiggly-amps to the ECU which sent it bonkers.
Might be a trapped wire somewhere what with the refitted doors, panels etc?
Modern lectrics and Land Rovers are uneasy bedfellows.
The fault on mine was eventually traced to a teeny tiny short on, wait for it, the front near side sidelight, which was sending random wiggly-amps to the ECU which sent it bonkers.
Might be a trapped wire somewhere what with the refitted doors, panels etc?
Modern lectrics and Land Rovers are uneasy bedfellows.
tomw2000 said:
Right (and no laughing at the back please...please don't tell anyone ) the gear issue is now solved. It was me being thick with transfer box and not being super au fait with it hadn't thought to check it...I'd clearly knocked it out some how.
snigger... ) the gear issue is now solved. It was me being thick with transfer box and not being super au fait with it hadn't thought to check it...I'd clearly knocked it out some how.
Not something I've ever done either... (well not that I'd admit to on a small forum like this!;))
I'd love to be able to help you with the other issues but I know nothing about the newer generation defenders.
Ok collected from garage. Wife drove home - all good.
But when i first tried to start, no joy again. Turned over but wouldn't start.
In turned off and tried again
And it went fine.
One thing i have noticed each time when its not started is that (hot or cold) the Amber diesel pre heater thingy light does nOt appear at all.
Any ideas?
I'll speak properly to mechanic tomorrow to see what error code she threw.
But when i first tried to start, no joy again. Turned over but wouldn't start.
In turned off and tried again
And it went fine.
One thing i have noticed each time when its not started is that (hot or cold) the Amber diesel pre heater thingy light does nOt appear at all.
Any ideas?
I'll speak properly to mechanic tomorrow to see what error code she threw.
Remove as in lift up the bottom of the drivers seat and the metal cover /vinyl cover underneath it
Make sure all the relays /plugs are pushed home correctly
underneath the seat is the ecu unit you can remove the plug carefully and make sure there's no sign of oil on the plug , a common fault is oil or diesel tracking down the wiring loom
if the Landie ended up on it's side ,could be a possibility ?
Make sure all the relays /plugs are pushed home correctly
underneath the seat is the ecu unit you can remove the plug carefully and make sure there's no sign of oil on the plug , a common fault is oil or diesel tracking down the wiring loom
if the Landie ended up on it's side ,could be a possibility ?
Thanks again for all the comments. I'll check under driver's seat this evening.
Didn't start this morning again....this time the glow plug thingy light did come on when pre-heating the whatnots.
But still no start. Was kinda turning over. But doesn't quite 'catch'. tbh it doesn't sound or feel like the battery is flat. Mechanic said it wasn't.
I was racing for the train, so didn't have time to keep trying. Jumped in my mates trusty old jag and off I went.
Will speak to mechanic today and get them to take it away wednesday and keep it until it's fixed.
To repeat: was running ace prior to my 'dancing on ice' episode. Just hoping it's a tiny little electrical gremlin that can be found and fixed easily.
Didn't start this morning again....this time the glow plug thingy light did come on when pre-heating the whatnots.
But still no start. Was kinda turning over. But doesn't quite 'catch'. tbh it doesn't sound or feel like the battery is flat. Mechanic said it wasn't.
I was racing for the train, so didn't have time to keep trying. Jumped in my mates trusty old jag and off I went.
Will speak to mechanic today and get them to take it away wednesday and keep it until it's fixed.
To repeat: was running ace prior to my 'dancing on ice' episode. Just hoping it's a tiny little electrical gremlin that can be found and fixed easily.
fesuvious said:
Sounds like an engine earth issue to me.
When she turns but doesn't start - is it turning slow, or at normal speed? If so, then engine earth is probably the place to start.
Have you checked also - daft as it seems - that the repair peeps have done the terminals up at the battery properly?
When turning over it's turning over at a normal speed. Where's the engine earth?When she turns but doesn't start - is it turning slow, or at normal speed? If so, then engine earth is probably the place to start.
Have you checked also - daft as it seems - that the repair peeps have done the terminals up at the battery properly?
I'm sure the battery is connected properly, I was faffing with it the other day to try and charge it*...
(* and we can all guess how long it took me to find the battery...I'm sure you can picture me staring blankly under the bonnet for 20 mins....)
fesuvious said:
before you let a garage take her - can you hear the fuel pump on ignition?
Listen at the tank when someone turns the key - won't be easy if she full of fuel though as the diesel dampens the noise.
An intermittent fault with the pump would cause exactly this - if the plug came slightly adrift in the accident..........
Would an intermittent fuel pump/supply issue not also manifest itself in normal drivingListen at the tank when someone turns the key - won't be easy if she full of fuel though as the diesel dampens the noise.
An intermittent fault with the pump would cause exactly this - if the plug came slightly adrift in the accident..........
I only mention, (and to clarify) because it's now since the 'completed repair' done, garage -> home -> garage - home (@ 6miles each way) successfully, with my wife driving and the mechanic driving with no reported issues at all....
I just want her fixed, back and 'reliable' again
*sobs*Just a thought but....if you press the throttle pedal five times while the glow plug light is on before starting, it initiates a self-prime of the fuel system, indicated by the engine management light flashing whilst it does the business. Might be worth a go.
The fuel filter (which might've come loose) is in the rear offside wheel arch by the way, just ahead of the actual wheel.
The fuel filter (which might've come loose) is in the rear offside wheel arch by the way, just ahead of the actual wheel.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th March 21:47
fesuvious said:
ok, had sleep!
Cant be fuel pump.
But, it is a fuel issue. Check the lines and filter. And definately check for oil contamination in the injector wiring loom.
There is a drain fitted to the filter. Id drain it fully and then let the system prime and see if that helps. Or, even better take it off, and ensure properly drained or fit new one and then try.
Plus the pump will absolutely make noise that way so you can check that too!
Thanks again for your time. Garage collecting her today. Cant be fuel pump.
But, it is a fuel issue. Check the lines and filter. And definately check for oil contamination in the injector wiring loom.
There is a drain fitted to the filter. Id drain it fully and then let the system prime and see if that helps. Or, even better take it off, and ensure properly drained or fit new one and then try.
Plus the pump will absolutely make noise that way so you can check that too!
IF the fuel lines are mostly on the driver's side, it'd make sense - this was the side of the impact. So hopefully something to easily rectify.
As I say, just want her back and reliable as she was before the accident. I don't have time to faff around at 6a.m. every morning when I'm racing to the station
Will update when I have news.
Edited by tomw2000 on Wednesday 9th March 11:49
Spoke to mechanic: he collected car from my home and it started fine. But on his drive to garage he did get the orange engine light on and brief limp home mode and then ok.
He plugged in when he got back. No error code.
He thinks electrical prob/gremlin. I did mention fuel, but his thoughts were that the engine/power wouldnt die off and then come back so quickly if it was a
Problem with fuel supply.
I've told him to keep it until the
Problem has been identified and fixed.
Fingers crossed
He plugged in when he got back. No error code.
He thinks electrical prob/gremlin. I did mention fuel, but his thoughts were that the engine/power wouldnt die off and then come back so quickly if it was a
Problem with fuel supply.
I've told him to keep it until the
Problem has been identified and fixed.
Fingers crossed
Edited by tomw2000 on Wednesday 9th March 18:03
Update 1,000,456: Stardate 2057: Somewhere in the Milky way.
Garage have plugged into a couple of diagnostic machines and have not seen any recorded error codes.
They've continued to experience the intermittent starting problem and the issue whilst driving where the orange engine light comes on and goes briefly into limp home mode and is then ok.
They've checked all fuses, the ECU (for oil/fluid contamination) and any obvious wires/earths to to avail.
Going to refer to a land rover specialist...on the basis they might have a better diagnostic machine (?) and/or just more experience of solving similar problems
Garage have plugged into a couple of diagnostic machines and have not seen any recorded error codes.
They've continued to experience the intermittent starting problem and the issue whilst driving where the orange engine light comes on and goes briefly into limp home mode and is then ok.
They've checked all fuses, the ECU (for oil/fluid contamination) and any obvious wires/earths to to avail.
Going to refer to a land rover specialist...on the basis they might have a better diagnostic machine (?) and/or just more experience of solving similar problems
Update: Nene Overland have had the vehicle and could find no issues.
Maybe the things they told my Mech to run through did sort the issue.
But as of yesterday she's driving fine again. And she even started this morning....first thing
Good to have the 90 back at last.
Thank you very much for eveyone's thoughts and comments. Certainly kept my spirts up during the long dark winter months.
Of Special mention:
Fesuvious for coming up with other things to check even when he was alseep.
My original Mech (who also recovered me on the dreaded night of the accident)
Nene Overland for doing the final check over and giving me confidence she was (probably) ok now.
And Mogburner at JE Engineering, for providing support, advice and anectdotes. Which is amazing given I'm not (yet) a customer. it was my mate who I bought the car from who had the relationship with JE.
I can't thank you all enough.
(obviously, I'll be right back if there are any issues L)
Maybe the things they told my Mech to run through did sort the issue.
But as of yesterday she's driving fine again. And she even started this morning....first thing
Good to have the 90 back at last.
Thank you very much for eveyone's thoughts and comments. Certainly kept my spirts up during the long dark winter months.
Of Special mention:
Fesuvious for coming up with other things to check even when he was alseep.
My original Mech (who also recovered me on the dreaded night of the accident)
Nene Overland for doing the final check over and giving me confidence she was (probably) ok now.
And Mogburner at JE Engineering, for providing support, advice and anectdotes. Which is amazing given I'm not (yet) a customer. it was my mate who I bought the car from who had the relationship with JE.
I can't thank you all enough.
(obviously, I'll be right back if there are any issues L
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