Thinking of a remap, are they really that good?
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Hi
I bought a Mondeo ST Tdci about 2 months ago. I originally wanted an ST220 but couldn't justify the fuel costs as I do a lot of motorway miles at the moment. The tractor like start up and sound when cold aside, I really like the ST TDCi. However, I feel that it's not as brisk away from the mark as my MK4 Golf GT Tdi was. The Golf was remapped, but was done by the previous owner so I couldn't really see what difference it made.
Now, I've read a lot of positive things about getting the ST TDCi remapped with most owners saying it totally transforms the car. Is this really true? Will I really notice a big difference in the way the car drives? I've been looking at the Bluefin product from Superchips but seeing as it costs £399 I want to be sure that it really is worth it before I take the plunge.
Anyone here have experience of getting a car ramapped? Is the difference very noticeable?
I bought a Mondeo ST Tdci about 2 months ago. I originally wanted an ST220 but couldn't justify the fuel costs as I do a lot of motorway miles at the moment. The tractor like start up and sound when cold aside, I really like the ST TDCi. However, I feel that it's not as brisk away from the mark as my MK4 Golf GT Tdi was. The Golf was remapped, but was done by the previous owner so I couldn't really see what difference it made.
Now, I've read a lot of positive things about getting the ST TDCi remapped with most owners saying it totally transforms the car. Is this really true? Will I really notice a big difference in the way the car drives? I've been looking at the Bluefin product from Superchips but seeing as it costs £399 I want to be sure that it really is worth it before I take the plunge.
Anyone here have experience of getting a car ramapped? Is the difference very noticeable?
I have heard it makes a very big difference on diesels - especially the Mondeos. Increase in power, torque, and mpg. Go for it!
You could research a tuning box too, I think they are cheaper and do pretty much the same thing but you can easily remove them when needed and some users say they are not as smooth as a remap.
You could research a tuning box too, I think they are cheaper and do pretty much the same thing but you can easily remove them when needed and some users say they are not as smooth as a remap.
YES
I have mentioned this before on this forum, but here goes again lol
I bought a 2.0 tdci 130 and put a tuning box on it within weeks (I had put one on a previous car)
power went up from 130 to approx 160bhp torque went from about 320nm to 380nm
round town economy stayed broadly similar and I got about 52 mpg @.8leptons on the motorway.
I now run a company mondeo hatch tdci 130 and get about 48mpg at the same speed.
It is also quieter when cruising as at that steady .8 leptons the engine is turning over @ 2000rpm instaed of 2200
I have mentioned this before on this forum, but here goes again lol
I bought a 2.0 tdci 130 and put a tuning box on it within weeks (I had put one on a previous car)
power went up from 130 to approx 160bhp torque went from about 320nm to 380nm
round town economy stayed broadly similar and I got about 52 mpg @.8leptons on the motorway.
I now run a company mondeo hatch tdci 130 and get about 48mpg at the same speed.
It is also quieter when cruising as at that steady .8 leptons the engine is turning over @ 2000rpm instaed of 2200
gog440 said:
YES
It is also quieter when cruising as at that steady .8 leptons the engine is turning over @ 2000rpm instaed of 2200
So they change your gear ratios for you too... Wow all of a sudden £400 seems extraordinary value!!!It is also quieter when cruising as at that steady .8 leptons the engine is turning over @ 2000rpm instaed of 2200
You reckon they could have my T5 just idling on the motorway?
Edited by jimbobsimmonds on Monday 7th March 12:20
My Saab (2003 9-3 SS Aero) went from mild mannered with a hint of performance to what it should have been from the factory, i.e. quite agressive, it sounded different as well.
Power went from 210 to 247 and torque from 210 to an alledged clutch troubling 288, had issues with it misfiring but re-gapped the plugs and its been fine since.
Now back at standard as not using it and to keep the insurance cost down. Fuel economy only suffers when I used the extra grunt.
Clutch slipped for a while but has cured itself, suspect it was down to lack of use as I travel a bit and cycle to work most days.
Go for it, it isnt totally without downsides, usually clutch related, especially with VAG diesels with a few miles on them.
Power went from 210 to 247 and torque from 210 to an alledged clutch troubling 288, had issues with it misfiring but re-gapped the plugs and its been fine since.
Now back at standard as not using it and to keep the insurance cost down. Fuel economy only suffers when I used the extra grunt.
Clutch slipped for a while but has cured itself, suspect it was down to lack of use as I travel a bit and cycle to work most days.
Go for it, it isnt totally without downsides, usually clutch related, especially with VAG diesels with a few miles on them.
Editted to make sure it is clear...
gog440 said:
YES
I have mentioned this before on this forum, but here goes again lol
I bought a 2.0 tdci 130 and put a tuning box on it within weeks (I had put one on a previous car)
power went up from 130 to approx 160bhp torque went from about 320nm to 380nm
round town economy stayed broadly similar and I got about 52 mpg @.8leptons on the motorway.
I now run a company mondeo hatch tdci 130 and get about 48mpg at the same speed.
It is also quieter when cruising as at that steady .8 leptons the engine is turning over @ 2000rpm instaed of 2200
Oh dear.I have mentioned this before on this forum, but here goes again lol
I bought a 2.0 tdci 130 and put a tuning box on it within weeks (I had put one on a previous car)
power went up from 130 to approx 160bhp torque went from about 320nm to 380nm
round town economy stayed broadly similar and I got about 52 mpg @.8leptons on the motorway.
I now run a company mondeo hatch tdci 130 and get about 48mpg at the same speed.
It is also quieter when cruising as at that steady .8 leptons the engine is turning over @ 2000rpm instaed of 2200
Quoted from another thread...
Maybe all the improved 0-60 times and top speed are not through extra power; merely gained through f
king up your speedo 
It's all a massive con people!!!
Edit for stupid mobile phone voice recognition. Speedo (in this sense anyhow... the lycra kind for sure) and paedo should not be confused...
gog440 said:
YES
I have run 2 mondeo tdci 130`s, one mine, one a company car. Mine I bought a tuning box for, the company car is obviously standard.
The company car at a steady .8 leptons is doing 2.2 k rpm and getting about 50mpg The remapped car had approx 160bhp and alledgedly 320nm torque, at a steady .8leptons it is turning at approx 2krpm in 6th gear and I was getting mid 50`s to the gallon (in estate so heavier than a hatch)
The remapped car was faster, quieter on the motorway, more economical pulled like a fecking train in any gear and was better allround to drive, the only downside was a slightly increased appetite for tyres. I had no other issues in 30k miles.
I can only imagine that remapping a bluemotion would have similar affects, in that because of the extra power/torque it will be doing fewer rpm in normal use and will use less fuel. I know that a new map will make a huge difference to the driveability by smoothing out any funny holes in the torque curve that vag put in to fiddle the EU tests. A previous focus had a real flat spot in its delivery but the remap sorted that out nicely.
edited to add the other 200rpm
Just to be 100% clear before I remapped the estate it too did 2200 rpm at an indicated 80mph, went down to 2000rpm after the remap smile
Curious how on earth that is possible. Maybe they fiddle with your speedo too... I have run 2 mondeo tdci 130`s, one mine, one a company car. Mine I bought a tuning box for, the company car is obviously standard.
The company car at a steady .8 leptons is doing 2.2 k rpm and getting about 50mpg The remapped car had approx 160bhp and alledgedly 320nm torque, at a steady .8leptons it is turning at approx 2krpm in 6th gear and I was getting mid 50`s to the gallon (in estate so heavier than a hatch)
The remapped car was faster, quieter on the motorway, more economical pulled like a fecking train in any gear and was better allround to drive, the only downside was a slightly increased appetite for tyres. I had no other issues in 30k miles.
I can only imagine that remapping a bluemotion would have similar affects, in that because of the extra power/torque it will be doing fewer rpm in normal use and will use less fuel. I know that a new map will make a huge difference to the driveability by smoothing out any funny holes in the torque curve that vag put in to fiddle the EU tests. A previous focus had a real flat spot in its delivery but the remap sorted that out nicely.
edited to add the other 200rpm
Just to be 100% clear before I remapped the estate it too did 2200 rpm at an indicated 80mph, went down to 2000rpm after the remap smile
Maybe all the improved 0-60 times and top speed are not through extra power; merely gained through f
king up your speedo It's all a massive con people!!!Edit for stupid mobile phone voice recognition. Speedo (in this sense anyhow... the lycra kind for sure) and paedo should not be confused...
Edited by jimbobsimmonds on Monday 7th March 12:28
Gear ratios have nothing to do with it!
If everything else stays the same (i.e. tyre size, throttle openeing etc.), then increasing power and torque will consequently result in a drop in rpm for a given power output and hence a given speed.
Power = rpm x torque
Example: Superchips on BMW 330d
Before remap, at 3000rpm, the engine produces (3000x354)/5252 = 202bhp.
After remap, to produce 202bhp, the engine only needs (202 x 5252)/406 = 2613rpm
If everything else stays the same (i.e. tyre size, throttle openeing etc.), then increasing power and torque will consequently result in a drop in rpm for a given power output and hence a given speed.
Power = rpm x torque
Example: Superchips on BMW 330d
Before remap, at 3000rpm, the engine produces (3000x354)/5252 = 202bhp.
After remap, to produce 202bhp, the engine only needs (202 x 5252)/406 = 2613rpm
Yes it really will make a huge difference but mainly to the way it "feels".
Any turbo car, not just oil burners feel an awful lot different after a remap.
It will be quicker, but the difference in the way it feels is worth the money.
I've had a Seat Ibiza Cupra and a TT 225 with just a stage 1 map and they completely transformed the way the accelerated.
My TT vs my mates std S3 (only good comparison) was very noticeably different when in the car. Side by side there was a fair bit of difference, both from the lights and rolling starts in the same gear... definitely worth the money.
Any turbo car, not just oil burners feel an awful lot different after a remap.
It will be quicker, but the difference in the way it feels is worth the money.
I've had a Seat Ibiza Cupra and a TT 225 with just a stage 1 map and they completely transformed the way the accelerated.
My TT vs my mates std S3 (only good comparison) was very noticeably different when in the car. Side by side there was a fair bit of difference, both from the lights and rolling starts in the same gear... definitely worth the money.
Monty Python said:
Gear ratios have nothing to do with it!
If everything else stays the same (i.e. tyre size, throttle openeing etc.), then increasing power and torque will consequently result in a drop in rpm for a given power output and hence a given speed.
Power = rpm x torque
Example: Superchips on BMW 330d
Before remap, at 3000rpm, the engine produces (3000x354)/5252 = 202bhp.
After remap, to produce 202bhp, the engine only needs (202 x 5252)/406 = 2613rpm
no...If everything else stays the same (i.e. tyre size, throttle openeing etc.), then increasing power and torque will consequently result in a drop in rpm for a given power output and hence a given speed.
Power = rpm x torque
Example: Superchips on BMW 330d
Before remap, at 3000rpm, the engine produces (3000x354)/5252 = 202bhp.
After remap, to produce 202bhp, the engine only needs (202 x 5252)/406 = 2613rpm
The speed at which you travel at a given RPM, is determined by the gears, not how much power you produce.
I have modified cars and proven more torque and power than before, but it makes no difference the speed you travel at x rpms in each gear.
i.e car producing 300bhp, does 80mph at 4000rpm. Car producing 350bhp, does 80 at 4000rpm...
Monty Python said:
Gear ratios have nothing to do with it!
If everything else stays the same (i.e. tyre size, throttle openeing etc.), then increasing power and torque will consequently result in a drop in rpm for a given power output and hence a given speed.
Power = rpm x torque
Example: Superchips on BMW 330d
Before remap, at 3000rpm, the engine produces (3000x354)/5252 = 202bhp.
After remap, to produce 202bhp, the engine only needs (202 x 5252)/406 = 2613rpm
such thing as a little knowledge is a dangerous thing...If everything else stays the same (i.e. tyre size, throttle openeing etc.), then increasing power and torque will consequently result in a drop in rpm for a given power output and hence a given speed.
Power = rpm x torque
Example: Superchips on BMW 330d
Before remap, at 3000rpm, the engine produces (3000x354)/5252 = 202bhp.
After remap, to produce 202bhp, the engine only needs (202 x 5252)/406 = 2613rpm
Think about it. I am more powerful and produce more torque than an 8 year old child. However, if we are both on identical byclcles and we are both moving the pedals at the same speed in the same gear, will I be going faster???
Fact is to travel at 80 mph requires x amount of power to be produced. All having a remap does is means that more torque is in reserve at any given rpm if required...
jimbobsimmonds said:
such thing as a little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
Think about it. I am more powerful and produce more torque than an 8 year old child. However, if we are both on identical byclcles and we are both moving the pedals at the same speed in the same gear, will I be going faster???
Fact is to travel at 80 mph requires x amount of power to be produced. All having a remap does is means that more torque is in reserve at any given rpm if required...
Exactly! You explained it better than me.Think about it. I am more powerful and produce more torque than an 8 year old child. However, if we are both on identical byclcles and we are both moving the pedals at the same speed in the same gear, will I be going faster???
Fact is to travel at 80 mph requires x amount of power to be produced. All having a remap does is means that more torque is in reserve at any given rpm if required...
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