Scamera Van

[volvod5_dude]

Just passed a scamera van on the A46 Stratford by-pass. I was within the limit but I couldn't resist giving them the straight finger with my arm out the window as I drove past, hope they got a picture, mucho satisfaction!!! When I came back it was still there, I had just picked up my lad so they had two straight fingers, mucho mucho satisfaction. I know very sad!!

[WMHV70]

Please be careful doing this. You may well find yourself being reported for summons for an offence under Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986.

Unfortunately, we (BiB) sometimnes have to do things we don't agree with, or disagree with fairly strongly. Members of the public do not endear themselves to us by being abusive.

I appreciate that speed enforcement is a highly emotive subject, but would have thought that people had the clarity of mind to be able to protest against what they see as injustices in a slightly more adult way.

[xxplod]

Very true. Local scrote gave the finger to a colleague who was in the nick at the time. Colleague dived out and arrested him under S4A Public Order Act. I think the finger gesture cost him about £100 all told at the local Mags.
We tatooed his finger with 3 penalty points as well.

[deltaf]

The finger erected sign meaning what exactly, that is arrestable for?

Id have thought a wave and a smile could equally be an arrestable offence....least ways it probably soon will be.

No free right to demonstrate anymore.

[WMHV70]

The finger erected sign wouldn't necessarily be arrestable, but I'm sure your aware it's widely regarded as an offensive gesture, and this would seem to be how it was used on this occasion.

S5 POA 1986 - using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.

Or would you be happy for me to come into your workplace and abuse you if I happened to disagree with some of what you do for a living?

I'm not suggesting that cameras are always a good idea, but don't shoot the messenger...

[Pies]

Can never understand why people do his to somebody just doing there job.weather you like it or not somebody will man that van why invit trouble

[regmolehusband]

I'm very sorry but I'm happy to encourage and endorse light abuse and horn blowing at anybody who chooses to man a scamera van. I will continue to make my feelings known.

I also complain in more adult ways by writing to my local paper and MP.

>> Edited by regmolehusband on Thursday 6th May 21:20

[destroyer]

regmolehusband said:

I'm very sorry but I'm happy to encourage and endorse light abuse and horn blowing at anybody who chooses to man a scamera van. I will continue to make my feelings known. I also complain in more adult ways by writing to my local paper and MP. >> Edited by regmolehusband on Thursday 6th May 21:20

You like the Volvo man must accept that sooner or later you and others that do this will be lifted. Long may it remain so.

[regmolehusband]

I'll accept nothing of the sort

[hertsbiker]

During the war, the Gestapo arrested and killed people for such gestures. Does this make it right? whatever happened to freedom of expression? seems like every rabid cleric can spout what they want, but if a motorist dares to criticise - then they get done. Something not quite right here..

[streaky]

WMHV70 said:

The finger erected sign wouldn't necessarily be arrestable, but I'm sure your aware it's widely regarded as an offensive gesture, and this would seem to be how it was used on this occasion.

On the contrary. I rather think that the raised finger was to indicate: "here's ONE you didn't get today"! - Streaky

[gh0st]

destroyer said:

regmolehusband said: I'm very sorry but I'm happy to encourage and endorse light abuse and horn blowing at anybody who chooses to man a scamera van. I will continue to make my feelings known. I also complain in more adult ways by writing to my local paper and MP. >> Edited by regmolehusband on Thursday 6th May 21:20 You like the Volvo man must accept that sooner or later you and others that do this will be lifted. Long may it remain so.

Yeah thanks for that....

[count duckula]

I have often thought what would happen if you abuse the scamera van operator, I think I will stick to a blast on the horn.


Malc

[KITT]

count duckula said:

I have often thought what would happen if you abuse the scamera van operator, I think I will stick to a blast on the horn.

Definatly the way forward! Worse case you'll get a 30 quid no-endorsable fine. In fact I seem to remember reading an article about a scamera force who were complaining as people kept doing this and some even rocking their vans The van operators were feeling threatened (All together now..... ahhh..... )

[volvod5_dude]

KITT said:

count duckula said: I have often thought what would happen if you abuse the scamera van operator, I think I will stick to a blast on the horn. Definatly the way forward! Worse case you'll get a 30 quid no-endorsable fine. In fact I seem to remember reading an article about a scamera force who were complaining as people kept doing this and some even rocking their vans The van operators were feeling threatened (All together now..... ahhh..... )

Worth 30 quid I would have thought - anyway I smiled as I did it so it wasn't threatening just Cheeky, you know the true British spirit, or is that now politically incorrect!!!
Police state around the corner I fear.


>> Edited by volvod5_dude on Friday 7th May 13:03

[volvod5_dude]

WMHV70 said:

Please be careful doing this. You may well find yourself being reported for summons for an offence under Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. Unfortunately, we (BiB) sometimnes have to do things we don't agree with, or disagree with fairly strongly. Members of the public do not endear themselves to us by being abusive. I appreciate that speed enforcement is a highly emotive subject, but would have thought that people had the clarity of mind to be able to protest against what they see as injustices in a slightly more adult way.

Who cares whether we endear ourselves to you or not you are the Public Servants!! Put up with it or get out!!

[volvod5_dude]

WMHV70 said:

The finger erected sign wouldn't necessarily be arrestable, but I'm sure your aware it's widely regarded as an offensive gesture, and this would seem to be how it was used on this occasion. S5 POA 1986 - using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour. Or would you be happy for me to come into your workplace and abuse you if I happened to disagree with some of what you do for a living? I'm not suggesting that cameras are always a good idea, but don't shoot the messenger...

You wouldn't get into my workplace - your security clearance wouldn't be high enough!

>> Edited by volvod5_dude on Friday 7th May 13:08

[volvod5_dude]

hertsbiker said:

During the war, the Gestapo arrested and killed people for such gestures. Does this make it right? whatever happened to freedom of expression? seems like every rabid cleric can spout what they want, but if a motorist dares to criticise - then they get done. Something not quite right here..

Like I said Police state on it's way.

[swilly]

WMHV70 said:

S5 POA 1986 - using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour.

So next time your missus ask "if her bum looks big in this" and you answer honestly and say yes, insulting her in the meantime, she can have you arrested?

Surely there is a context to be taken into account here?

I woulf have thought that the above would be valid if someone was threatening, abusive or insulting whilst you were carrying out your duties, but to simply make clear a personal opinion in the form of a V-sign or middle finger, whilst rude cannot be a criminal act.

For the love of god, its an historical and patriotic act giving the V-sign.

Old Henry V would turn in his grave.