Bernie on 2013 engines
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I reckon he's got it spot on and i'm with him all the way on this, its wrong!
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8225420
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8225420
Bernie is correct for once isnt he? Who wants to watch poxy little 1.6 litre engined F1 cars? Not me thats for sure.
I would prefer 3.5 litre V10's & V12's with perhaps a lovely flat 12 from Maranello. Thats why the fans love F1 - because of the noise.
You only have to listen to footage on YouTube of proper F1 cars with big engines howling away to realise just how great the older F1 cars are.
What next for F1 - electric engines?
Napoleon is well wrong on this one & he needs to listen to the fans & not his own self important little echo (ego).
I would prefer 3.5 litre V10's & V12's with perhaps a lovely flat 12 from Maranello. Thats why the fans love F1 - because of the noise.
You only have to listen to footage on YouTube of proper F1 cars with big engines howling away to realise just how great the older F1 cars are.
What next for F1 - electric engines?
Napoleon is well wrong on this one & he needs to listen to the fans & not his own self important little echo (ego).
When i was a kid and watching it around late 90's
The main thing i remember was the lovely sound of the engines.
High revving
you could feel the power.
Take away the noise and F1 would fall on it's arse.
It's bad as it is with piddly little V8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT36kC2pwAc
The main thing i remember was the lovely sound of the engines.
High revving
you could feel the power.
Take away the noise and F1 would fall on it's arse.
It's bad as it is with piddly little V8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT36kC2pwAc
Edited by Streps on Thursday 17th March 16:25
I'd think that noise is totally irrelvant to the vast majority of people who watch F1 on the T.V., but have never (and never will) see and hear an F1 car in real life.
I don't remember a big deal being made about it last time turbos were compulsory, but then again I only seriously got into F1 in 1985. I do remember 1989 though, it was an awesome experience to stand at Bridge and hear a 12 cylinder n/a F1 on full song after the previous turbo cars.
Just another retrograde step for the true enthusiast.
I don't remember a big deal being made about it last time turbos were compulsory, but then again I only seriously got into F1 in 1985. I do remember 1989 though, it was an awesome experience to stand at Bridge and hear a 12 cylinder n/a F1 on full song after the previous turbo cars.
Just another retrograde step for the true enthusiast.
fatboy69 said:
Bernie is correct for once isnt he? Who wants to watch poxy little 1.6 litre engined F1 cars? Not me thats for sure.
I would prefer 3.5 litre V10's & V12's with perhaps a lovely flat 12 from Maranello. Thats why the fans love F1 - because of the noise.
You only have to listen to footage on YouTube of proper F1 cars with big engines howling away to realise just how great the older F1 cars are.
What next for F1 - electric engines?
Napoleon is well wrong on this one & he needs to listen to the fans & not his own self important little echo (ego).
Really? I would think that one's understanding of the sport would have to be pretty poor if the noise was the reason for loving it.I would prefer 3.5 litre V10's & V12's with perhaps a lovely flat 12 from Maranello. Thats why the fans love F1 - because of the noise.
You only have to listen to footage on YouTube of proper F1 cars with big engines howling away to realise just how great the older F1 cars are.
What next for F1 - electric engines?
Napoleon is well wrong on this one & he needs to listen to the fans & not his own self important little echo (ego).
Notwithstanding the fact that 1500cc engines were used for years over different eras and were, in addition to being the most powerful ever used, amongst the best, and loudest, sounding.
The BMW straight four, stock block, BMW 1.5 litre turbo-charged engine had the most wonderful sound. It overwhelmed the 3 litre normally aspiratd V8s. One year when I was up against the catch-fencing at the British (or possibly European) GP I still had ringing in my ears a week after the race. I went to the doctor who examined my ears and found that wax had been dislodged. She said that it reminded her of a person who had had a violent punch to the head. And that, of course, is what the turbo engines did to you: punched you in the head.
We might be seeing the power struggle for the Concord agreement and not a considered view on the WMSC proposals.
I've heard that with the new emissions regs most road cars will have to have some form of forced induction to get within them. Perhpas F1 should follow this. But to suggest it is for some earth saving reason is nothing but greenwash.
We might be seeing the power struggle for the Concord agreement and not a considered view on the WMSC proposals.
I've heard that with the new emissions regs most road cars will have to have some form of forced induction to get within them. Perhpas F1 should follow this. But to suggest it is for some earth saving reason is nothing but greenwash.
Not this one again. I love the way everyone forgets about the 1500 4 cylinder engines that made in the region of 1500 bhp in qualifying trim. 1000bhp per litre. And imagine the flexibility the engineers would have over packaging with a much smaller engine? And imagine the number of different solutions to the issue of keeping it cool?
I find big shake ups really exciting.
I find big shake ups really exciting.
I agree with every word spoken on that article and i feel quite pleased that he feels that way :-)
I can't understand people saying your not a proper F1 fan if you only like it for the noise - what utter nonesene.
Yes, a few hardcore fans love the technology and all of the background stuff (me included), but the majority of fans love the sport for it's spectacle. What you see and what you hear, stimulation of the senses to the extreme, those are the only things that matter to the sucess of the sport.
I didn't manage to get to my first gp untill i was 27, but it was always an abition. I'd been to lower level motorsport and always thought "if these cars sound this good, imagine what an F1 car sounds like"
And i was right. I think it's the fact that it has such a unique sound. Yes we've had turbo's before, but to lose what we have now would be such a big big shame..
If an F1 car sounded the same as every other level of motorsport then can someone plase tell me why i would pay £250 + for a ticket, when i can watch single seater racing around the country for £30 or less..
I can't understand people saying your not a proper F1 fan if you only like it for the noise - what utter nonesene.
Yes, a few hardcore fans love the technology and all of the background stuff (me included), but the majority of fans love the sport for it's spectacle. What you see and what you hear, stimulation of the senses to the extreme, those are the only things that matter to the sucess of the sport.
I didn't manage to get to my first gp untill i was 27, but it was always an abition. I'd been to lower level motorsport and always thought "if these cars sound this good, imagine what an F1 car sounds like"
And i was right. I think it's the fact that it has such a unique sound. Yes we've had turbo's before, but to lose what we have now would be such a big big shame..
If an F1 car sounded the same as every other level of motorsport then can someone plase tell me why i would pay £250 + for a ticket, when i can watch single seater racing around the country for £30 or less..
Edited by chuno on Friday 18th March 09:07
dr_gn said:
I'd think that noise is totally irrelvant to the vast majority of people who watch F1 on the T.V., but have never (and never will) see and hear an F1 car in real life.
Only every heard a modern F1 car once, on Oxford Street and even in that fake scenario it was awesome.Just as Le Mans wouldn't be the same without the Porsches making your ears bleed, F1 without the oomph wouldn't be F1. But...
What do the people remember from the 1.5l Turbo'd days?
The way F1 is going we'll see diesel engines soon.
The new cars won’t rev as high
will not have as much power and will have to last longer than just one race distance.
Comparing these new engine rules with the powertrains from the 80′s is a disgrace.
F1 won’t be the pinnacle of motorsports, when they limit basically everything about the engines to make the sport “green.”
Smaller F1 engines are not going to save the world.
How many 747's does F1 use as transport.....
will not have as much power and will have to last longer than just one race distance.
Comparing these new engine rules with the powertrains from the 80′s is a disgrace.
F1 won’t be the pinnacle of motorsports, when they limit basically everything about the engines to make the sport “green.”
Smaller F1 engines are not going to save the world.
How many 747's does F1 use as transport.....
Streps said:
F1 won’t be the pinnacle of motorsports, when they limit basically everything about the engines to make the sport “green.”
Smaller F1 engines are not going to save the world.
How many 747's does F1 use as transport.....
Indeed! Look at the ammount of logistics used and all the crap they haul with them like the massive hospitality units. Also, a re jig of the calender would be a good idea. It always seems crazy to me the race order. Smaller F1 engines are not going to save the world.
How many 747's does F1 use as transport.....
chuno said:
I agree with every word spoken on that article and i feel quite pleased that he feels that way :-)
I can't understand people saying your not a proper F1 fan if you only like it for the noise - what utter nonesene.
Yes, a few hardcore fans love the technology and all of the background stuff (me included), but the majority of fans love the sport for it's spectacle. What you see and what you hear, stimulation of the senses to the extreme, those are the only things that matter to the sucess of the sport.
I didn't manage to get to my first gp untill i was 27, but it was always an abition. I'd been to lower level motorsport and always thought "if these cars sound this good, imagine what an F1 car sounds like"
And i was right. I think it's the fact that it has such a unique sound. Yes we've had turbo's before, but to lose what we have now would be such a big big shame..
If an F1 car sounded the same as every other level of motorsport then can someone plase tell me why i would pay £250 + for a ticket, when i can watch single seater racing around the country for £30 or less..
I'm talking nonsense?I can't understand people saying your not a proper F1 fan if you only like it for the noise - what utter nonesene.
Yes, a few hardcore fans love the technology and all of the background stuff (me included), but the majority of fans love the sport for it's spectacle. What you see and what you hear, stimulation of the senses to the extreme, those are the only things that matter to the sucess of the sport.
I didn't manage to get to my first gp untill i was 27, but it was always an abition. I'd been to lower level motorsport and always thought "if these cars sound this good, imagine what an F1 car sounds like"
And i was right. I think it's the fact that it has such a unique sound. Yes we've had turbo's before, but to lose what we have now would be such a big big shame..
If an F1 car sounded the same as every other level of motorsport then can someone plase tell me why i would pay £250 + for a ticket, when i can watch single seater racing around the country for £30 or less..
Edited by chuno on Friday 18th March 09:07
How can you say it's a 'unique sound'? The current engines are restricted versions of those before. Only a few years ago we had V10s not V8s. Before that we had a variety of layouts and designs. All producing a wide range of different sounds and volumes.
Only two years ago the Honda engine was distinctly different from a Mercedes or a Ferrari or Renault or anything else.
They are not even the loudest engines out there.
So how can you believe that what is to come will not sound just as good or loud, if it's really that important?
If it's only the noise that matters, as was originally posted, it's much cheaper and easier to go to drag races.
deveng said:
Not this one again. I love the way everyone forgets about the 1500 4 cylinder engines that made in the region of 1500 bhp in qualifying trim. 1000bhp per litre. And imagine the flexibility the engineers would have over packaging with a much smaller engine? And imagine the number of different solutions to the issue of keeping it cool?
I find big shake ups really exciting.
You're forgetting the rev, boost, and fuel flow limits on the new engines will mean they only produce the same amount of power as the current engines (maybe a little more torque though). The BMW engine used to run on fuel with a much higher octane.I find big shake ups really exciting.
EDLT said:
deveng said:
Not this one again. I love the way everyone forgets about the 1500 4 cylinder engines that made in the region of 1500 bhp in qualifying trim. 1000bhp per litre. And imagine the flexibility the engineers would have over packaging with a much smaller engine? And imagine the number of different solutions to the issue of keeping it cool?
I find big shake ups really exciting.
You're forgetting the rev, boost, and fuel flow limits on the new engines will mean they only produce the same amount of power as the current engines (maybe a little more torque though). The BMW engine used to run on fuel with a much higher octane.I find big shake ups really exciting.
Why is it necessary to legislate exactly what the cars use? Why can't we give them the option of 1600cc Turbo or XXXXcc NA (sized to make them roughly equivalent in terms of power) and free reign on the number of cylinders then let them fight it out on the track to work out which one is best.
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