tomorrows fuel duty
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dave9

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579 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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well it should be 4p increase on april 1st and then vat on that so another 4.8p per litre all told.

so, who thinks it will stay, who thinks it will go?

personally, I think they will either add on just 1p or they will 'defer' the rise until October this year.

If it goes on then that's another big jump

Pork

9,455 posts

263 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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I thought they'd said it'd been canned?

dave9

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191 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Pork said:
I thought they'd said it'd been canned?
did they? i think some people just 'expect' it to be canned but you may know more than me

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Tesco seem to have added it already.

4p in one go sounds like a lot, isn't it usually 1-2p?

We might get the fuel stabiliser tomorrow anyway, you never know tongue out

dave9

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191 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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EDLT said:
Tesco seem to have added it already.

4p in one go sounds like a lot, isn't it usually 1-2p?

We might get the fuel stabiliser tomorrow anyway, you never know tongue out
1p plus inflation so 4p then you have vat on it

i DONT WANT the fuel stabiliser at all - what that will mean is fuel will drop a couple of pence but when oil falls it will stay the same and you will be done over like a kipper



sinizter

3,348 posts

215 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Tomorrow ? When does this fuel increase kick in ?

1st of April ? Or has it been cancelled ?

southpaw

5,999 posts

254 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Erm...I believe its planned to increase by RPI which I believe is 5.1%, so definately not just 4p, then add on the other 1p...

ETA: Apologies, Feb RPI is 5.5%, and then another 1p added on, so if the rise goes ahead, say the average cost of a litre is £1.30 then on April 1st this will jump to £1.38 - 8p in one day...

Edited by southpaw on Tuesday 22 March 18:52

Or888t

1,686 posts

202 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Think it's going though...

But they want to put a new tax on private jets!
That they will - eventually- use to lower fuel duty.
Apparently it will raise a billion a year...

sjj84

2,396 posts

248 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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dave9 said:
1p plus inflation so 4p then you have vat on it

i DONT WANT the fuel stabiliser at all - what that will mean is fuel will drop a couple of pence but when oil falls it will stay the same and you will be done over like a kipper
Can you honestly see the price ever dropping by any significant amount? When oil prices rise, petrol prices rise immediately, never seems to work the other way round though.

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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dave9 said:
EDLT said:
Tesco seem to have added it already.

4p in one go sounds like a lot, isn't it usually 1-2p?

We might get the fuel stabiliser tomorrow anyway, you never know tongue out
1p plus inflation so 4p then you have vat on it

i DONT WANT the fuel stabiliser at all - what that will mean is fuel will drop a couple of pence but when oil falls it will stay the same and you will be done over like a kipper
For 1p to go to 4p you'd need inflation of 400% surely? Inflation is around 5% at the moment so it would be 1.05p + vat

southpaw

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254 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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EDLT said:
For 1p to go to 4p you'd need inflation of 400% surely? Inflation is around 5% at the moment so it would be 1.05p + vat
It's inflation (note: RPI, not CPI, which is historically the higher measure) plus 1p

dave9

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579 posts

191 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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southpaw said:
Erm...I believe its planned to increase by RPI which I believe is 5.1%, so definately not just 4p, then add on the other 1p...
fuel duty is about 55p so plus inflation on that is about 3p plus the penny takes it to about 4p and then add the 20% vat on the fuel duty so it's 4.8p in total. I have studied it for a while as you can tell smile

its the budget tomorrow chaps, wake up - you will see how much more your cigs, booze etc will cost. Further to this there are likely to be tax changes and obviously we know already about the extra national insurance.

the duty is supposed to kick in on april 1st so in about a week but it's not likely to go ahead now it may be deferred for a few months.

then we have rate rises coming - oooh, I can feel the pain already.

Oil up a tickle again today and the recent rises still not filtered through to the pumps yet

don't forget this fuel duty escalator is not just for this april, oh no, it is due to rise by another 1p plus inflation in april 2012 and 1p plus inflation in 2013 too. This could add another 15p alone to fuel prices by 2013.


also company car tax is going to be more but most people haven't realised this but you only have to look on comcar to see the stealth crippling effect it will have

also the 1% rise in national insurance will come in - people are about to get a kicking sadly

Ash333

183 posts

193 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Or888t said:
Think it's going though...

But they want to put a new tax on private jets!
That they will - eventually- use to lower fuel duty.
Apparently it will raise a billion a year...
Will it? How many people with jets at their disposal will use helicopters from the channel islands rather than pay exorbitant taxes to the british?
How about they tax all businesses that are based in the UK, even if they are legally based offshore. That would easily raise a billion a year, and the average Joe would feel a lot less ripped off paying taxes if they were applied to all. Currently they are applied to all except those who can most afford them.

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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southpaw said:
EDLT said:
For 1p to go to 4p you'd need inflation of 400% surely? Inflation is around 5% at the moment so it would be 1.05p + vat
It's inflation (note: RPI, not CPI, which is historically the higher measure) plus 1p
OIC.

£1.30/l is cheap for petrol around here by the way frown

Kiltox

14,863 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Ash333 said:
How about they tax all businesses that are based in the UK, even if they are legally based offshore. That would easily raise a billion a year, and the average Joe would feel a lot less ripped off paying taxes if they were applied to all. Currently they are applied to all except those who can most afford them.
Would probably be the end of some businesses that use their tax position to sell cheaper products (play.com, some Amazon subsidaries, etc)

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Wasn't there a plan to lower corporation tax (or some other business related tax) to allow companies to expand*?

Blah blah blah Tories helping rich mates while screwing the "poor" blah blah blah

ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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EDLT said:
Wasn't there a plan to lower corporation tax (or some other business related tax) to allow companies to expand*?

Blah blah blah Tories helping rich mates while screwing the "poor" blah blah blah
That would be nice. smile

Tsippy

15,078 posts

198 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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EDLT said:
Wasn't there a plan to lower corporation tax (or some other business related tax) to allow companies to expand*?

Blah blah blah Tories helping rich mates while screwing the "poor" blah blah blah
Your footnote has it spot on, imagine how the students and public sector workers would be foaming at the mouth if that happened? "They is cutting 'r jobs and giving t'money to t'rich" rolleyes