Saubers disqualified
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He Skunk

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396 posts

231 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Just up on the Beeb, both Saubers disqualified for technical infringement concerning size of rear wing element.
Team announced intention to appeal.

He Skunk

Original Poster:

396 posts

231 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Thought I was hot with the news, but I subsequently see it is buried in the Oz GP thread, sorry, think it justified a separate thread though.

Shame for the two jockeys, they had a good race, particularly Perez.

Aydogflipper

436 posts

195 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Just read this on the teletext.

Shame, they did very well today.

tuffer

9,006 posts

296 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Aydogflipper said:
Shame, they did very well today.
Of course they did......they cheated smile

thunderbelmont

2,982 posts

253 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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How did the cars pass scrutineering prior to the race, and fail after?

As for cheating - no, not really. Though unlike others, they were unlucky and got found out!

Streps

2,457 posts

195 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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"The concave radius of sections of the 3 rear wing elements in contact with external air were smaller than the legal 100mm.”
This makes me sick.

Although rules are rules
I still think it's a load of st

tuffer

9,006 posts

296 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Streps said:
"The concave radius of sections of the 3 rear wing elements in contact with external air were smaller than the legal 100mm.”
This makes me sick.

Although rules are rules
I still think it's a load of st
But in a sport where every 100th of a second counts that could be a big deal.

Pints

18,451 posts

223 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Streps said:
"The concave radius of sections of the 3 rear wing elements in contact with external air were smaller than the legal 100mm.”
This makes me sick.

Although rules are rules
I still think it's a load of st
By how much were they over the legal limit?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

303 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Pints said:
Streps said:
"The concave radius of sections of the 3 rear wing elements in contact with external air were smaller than the legal 100mm.”
This makes me sick.

Although rules are rules
I still think it's a load of st
By how much were they over the legal limit?
you mean 'under' the legal 100mm limit....


pits

6,704 posts

219 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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thunderbelmont said:
How did the cars pass scrutineering prior to the race, and fail after?
This^ How can they pass the first scrutineering of the car and then fail after?

Streps

2,457 posts

195 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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The issue is the upper rear wing element. The rules say ‘the local concave radius of curvature may not be smaller than 100mm,’ and both cars breached that.

The rules concerned is new for this year. The test is conducted with a template and would not have come to light until after the race because not all FIA tests are conducted routinely every weekend.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/03/27/both-saubers-ex...

Pints

18,451 posts

223 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Scuffers said:
you mean 'under' the legal 100mm limit....
Sorry, under.

'Tis what I get for not reading properly.

Streps

2,457 posts

195 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Reminds me of 2009
"Toyota drivers Trulli and Glock started the Australian Grand prix from the back of the grid after being excluded from qualifying in 2009.The rear wings of their TF109s were found to be in contravention of the rules limiting how much they may flex."
They escaped with just a penalty.

I think over the years the FIA have made The rules so complex it’s very easy to either misinterpret something by accident.

And it can't help Sauber’s cause that their car's were quickest through the speed trap in qualifying.
So they were probably found to have been given a performance advantage.

Jasandjules

72,579 posts

258 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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It can't have been enough for Perez to get a place advantage though can it?!?! So he still drove it like he stole it!?!?

Streps

2,457 posts

195 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Sauber have announced they will appeal the decision.
James Key said: “This is a very surprising and disappointing result.

“It appears that there is a question over the top surface of the uppermost rear wing element, this area is not the working surface of the component and therefore relatively unimportant to its function.

“Certainly this has not lead to any performance advantage. We are checking the design of the parts now to better understand the situation and we intend to appeal the decision made by the stewards.”

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Jasandjules said:
It can't have been enough for Perez to get a place advantage though can it?!?! So he still drove it like he stole it!?!?
It could well be enough - I think this would interfere with the way the DRS works (with a smaller radius the top element would lift more than is allowed at its edge, letting more air between the elements) which could be worth quite a bit in qualifying, and still be useful in the race.

Jasandjules

72,579 posts

258 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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davepoth said:
It could well be enough - I think this would interfere with the way the DRS works (with a smaller radius the top element would lift more than is allowed at its edge, letting more air between the elements) which could be worth quite a bit in qualifying, and still be useful in the race.
Well, the commentators did mention just how fast the Sauber was.....

He finished what, 10 seconds in front of Kobayashi? Wonder what difference this made to his lap times.

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Jasandjules said:
Well, the commentators did mention just how fast the Sauber was.....

He finished what, 10 seconds in front of Kobayashi? Wonder what difference this made to his lap times.
One would hope he would still have been 10 seconds in front of the other Sauber. biggrin