Checking your cars age !!!
Checking your cars age !!!
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Jonny weggie

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1,607 posts

222 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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I know this has been posted before [i've lost it] i've just bought a 390SE on a F, plate 88, so was just wondering if its close to being one of the last 390 made.How do you check for that information again.

thanks jonny.

tempus

674 posts

232 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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Yours was registered in August `88 and they were still escaping from the factory in `89 but no idea of numbers. smile

Flyin Banana

2,182 posts

269 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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dont you have to cut it in half and count the rings !!!!


Rob

pjtvr390se

134 posts

230 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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Does anyone know the range of chassis numbers that were used for the390's, or even where I should start digging as I also have an '88 390se. I guess that they will just be mixed in with all the other wedges built around that time.

E Ponym

1,233 posts

298 months

Tuesday 29th March 2011
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The 390s were just a 350 with an options pack as some sort of homologation short-cut (certainly in Oct 1985), I'm fairly sure that they were just in the normal sequence of the chassis numbers.

The 390 still had the original engine size (3,498) but changed the engine number to JE1060 in my case.

grahamw48

9,944 posts

269 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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E Ponym said:
The 390s were just a 350 with an options pack as some sort of homologation short-cut (certainly in Oct 1985), I'm fairly sure that they were just in the normal sequence of the chassis numbers.

The 390 still had the original engine size (3,498) but changed the engine number to JE1060 in my case.
The later (S2) ones had NCK engines and engine numbers, apart from the obviously different bodywork and wheels etc. smile

Wedg1e

27,043 posts

296 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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grahamw48 said:
The later (S2) ones had NCK engines and engine numbers, apart from the obviously different bodywork and wheels etc. smile
Seem to recall that the Rouse/ JE engines went into only a handful of the very early cars, MOST 390SEs had NCK engines.

There seem to be three distinct variants of 390 'bling':

First cars had the rear under-wing and front airdam with driving lamps and brake cooling ducts. Demo car (the yellow one) also had louvres in the air scoop but whether this made it to production seems dubious. Although early cars shared thir bonnet with the 350i, eventually a new style was introduced with transverse louvres at front LH and rear RH corners only. The only wheelarch flares on the early cars were incorporated into the 'trailing edge' of the front airdam as short extensions up the wing. Sills were as 350i. Wheels were 15" versions of the 350i cross-spoke pattern. Very early in production the A-frame rear-end was introduced. Let's call this Series 1 wink

Mid-production cars had the rear wing and front airdam but now the airdam lost the little extensions and the front and rear arches were flared on the shell itself. The sills were also changed to incorporate the flare. Bonnet and wheels remained the same.

Late cars ('88-on) had a fake version of the rear underwing blended into the rear bumper as one unit. They also got the OZ 5-spokes and a new, softer airdam (looks like the 400SE front, which is what it became). Arches got still more flare and the sills were changed again, to suit. Final versions appear to have had the fake underwing and bumper blended completely into the shell; this became the seamless rear-end for the 400SE. Generally known as 'Series 2' cars.

By a process of elimination the mid-production cars should be 'Series 1.5' but they're usually lumped in with the early, arch-flare-less cars as Series 1.

Roughly, Series 1s have C&D plates. Series 1.5 late D & E plates. Series 2 were F (maybe late E and into G?) plates, at which point the 400SE came along...

Edited to clarify bonnet details wink

Edited by Wedg1e on Thursday 31st March 00:02

c pryor

227 posts

213 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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Sorry to split hairs but the first 390SE models had a solid bonnet with no louvres. The standard Rover lump is 3528cc but still shown as 3498cc on the V5 fom the DVLA for both the 350i and 390SE.

Jonny weggie

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1,607 posts

222 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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My 390SE is an 88, 3898cc on the V5 and Engine number NCK91.

jonny.

Wedg1e

27,043 posts

296 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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c pryor said:
Sorry to split hairs but the first 390SE models had a solid bonnet with no louvres. The standard Rover lump is 3528cc but still shown as 3498cc on the V5 fom the DVLA for both the 350i and 390SE.
The whole thing is hair-splitting really; you can take almost any car that sticks around for a few years and you'll find differences throughout production. The makers use the same name, it's only us nerds who nitpick wink
At some point there was a 390 prototype that was really a standard 350i with a 3.9 engine, maybe that should be the REAL Series 1 car biggrin

E Ponym

1,233 posts

298 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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Wedg1e said:
First cars had the rear under-wing and front airdam with driving lamps and brake cooling ducts. Demo car (the yellow one) also had louvres in the air scoop but whether this made it to production seems dubious. Bonnet was new type with transverse louvres at front LH and rear RH corners only.
Early 390s did not have the bonnet Louvres.

The Louvres were developed on the 390 racer (Jeff Statham's car) by using a 1/2 " drill on the bonnet in situ. The holes in the top of the inner wing (caused by clumsily failing to stop the drilling when through the bonnet) were visible when my wife and I were on the factory tour in 1986.

Russ

Wedg1e

27,043 posts

296 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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E Ponym said:
Early 390s did not have the bonnet Louvres.

The Louvres were developed on the 390 racer (Jeff Statham's car) by using a 1/2 " drill on the bonnet in situ. The holes in the top of the inner wing (caused by clumsily failing to stop the drilling when through the bonnet) were visible when my wife and I were on the factory tour in 1986.

Russ
Already corrected by C Pryor, Russ smile

My bonnet has the faint outline of rectangles outside the louvres so I imagine they took a bonnet, chopped two holes out, added the louvred bits and took a new mould from that, but didn't quite get rid of the join lines!



grahamw48

9,944 posts

269 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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This is vents innit. biggrin

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smash

Campbell

2,500 posts

314 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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grahamw48 said:
This is vents innit. biggrin

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smash
not may vents in the bonnet is there scratchchinwhistlehehe

carob

3,585 posts

242 months

Sunday 10th April 2011
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Jonny

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