XK / XKR info wanted

[Ubernoober]

Hi all, I’m planning on replacing my TVR (and Merc) with a low mileage XK, maybe an XKR, 06 or later (maybe pushing to a 5.0 litre) in the next couple of months or so.

It will ultimately be our daily driver and when it is I expect to put 20k miles a year on it as I currently do around 10k miles each in our Merc and the TVR - from which I get around 23 – 25 mpg.

So, what kind of long-term mpg can I expect from the XK? Similar or a lot less? I appreciate it is all right-foot dependant but the normal 100 mile daily commute is done at relaxed motorway speeds.

Also, is the mpg of the XKR much worse? And in everyday use, is the extra performance really worth it? Maybe not I guess, but do the times you do use it make it all worth while?

Servicing (excl tyres) with this kind of mileage I’m expecting to be up around £1k – is that fair or not?

Thanks for any info you can give.

[Triple7]

Motorway cruising expect about the same as your TVR, mid 20's. Not much difference between the XK and XKR in terms of MPG, so to make it and 'R every time. Servcing will be twice a year with that mileage, so I'd expect change out of your £1k. But tbh these costs are nothing compared to the depreciation you will experience doing 20k+ miles each year in a modern Jag. Not much info on the new stuff with high mileage servcing costs etc.. I'd budget for a Jag warranty. If you can go for the 5.0, now sub-£50k and one hell of a car. Great for cruising and B-roading, has the e-diff and adaptive dynamics.

Edited by Triple7 on Tuesday 29th March 17:25

[Ubernoober]

So depreciation-wise, what, 60% off a purchase price in 3 years of ownership? Which makes a 20k miles 2 year old 5.0 litre bought for £45k, with say a future 80k on the clock after another 3 years worth about £18 - 20k? Fair assumption? Or would it be a good bit less?

So servicing plus depreciation and say tyres, around £30k for 3 years add on 60k miles worth of fuel, around £15k makes a theoretical cost of 75p per mile.

Not that the resale value is that important. My basic premise is that after I've been at it, a car will be worth £0 so anything above that is a bonus

[Triple7]

Spot on, go and enjoy her life is way too short!

[Tresco]

I just bought a low mileage 2007 XKR Cab, as Triple7 says, mid 20's on motorway and around 18 in town, really wanted the 5.0 XKR but they're £50k for a nice spec/mileage one so purposely didn't drive it, no willpower! great value but maybe next year.

First thoughts on mine - very comfortable and quiet, obviously totally different drive to previous 911's, very well built no creaks rattles etc, could do with a slightly better exhaust note, Jaguar premium sound is great option also front parking aid, it's long! oh, and it's fast!

As for depreciation, well I won't do more than around 6k pa so I'm guessing £500 a month but I'm probably miles out. In fact having taken more baths on cars than I care to remember I'm almost certainly conservative!

Good luck looking.

[DeadMeat_UK]

I might highjack this thread a little if I may, rather than start a new one.

I too am looking to go XKR in the next month or two.

One thing puzzled me on the test drive is when I asked the salesman where the temperature gauge was so I knew when to "press on" he said the car didn't need it !

So am I assuming there is no oil temp or even water temp gauge ?

I'm so used to having my eyes glued to it on my 993 to see when it's ok to play, this worries me a bit ! Does the engine limit power/revs/throttle automatically until it's warm automatically, or just rely on owners leaving 5/10 mins before playing ?

[jagseven]

I know what you mean about no temp guage but I suspect most owners never pay it much attention anyway.
I think modern engines (due to modern oils) are much more tolerant of abuse but I for one never use many revs until the engine has been running a good few minutes

To answer your question, there is no automatic rev limiting etc while the engine is cold

[drangular]

I've had my 2007 XKR convertible since September and have been enjoying every minute! Been on a few PH runs and it easily keeps company round the corners with 911's, Elises and Ferrari's. Super comfortable on long runs but when you need it the acceleration is effortless and incredible. Slot it over into sport mode and the response is even better. I will never tire of the exhaust sound when giving it the beans. A sound and a look that turns heads. It attracts attention but in a nice way. I've been getting 24 mpg on runs up the A9 to Inverness but never less than 19 otherwise. The problem is I can't keep my foot off the loud pedal.. I just want to hear that exhaust! Just had a 'B' main service done at Jag. dealer which was £350.

[Fast Jonnie]

Been in my XKR for 2 months now. My normal commute is about 3 miles of traffic including a drop off at school for my daughter. I am only seeing 15mpg.

However as the journey is so short and the car is going from cold, I assume it will be on full choke for most of that time (excuse the old terminology, don't know the new word for it ). And to be fair, the car is being serviced at the moment and the XF Diesel S that they have loaned me is only showing 19.5mpg for the same journey.

But did 300 miles on Monday combining town and motorway and saw a solid 28mpg.

Depreciation, that's just cars for you. The guy who owned mine first took a hit of £50k in the first 3 years!! Warranties are more expensive on the XKR, until you claim on it!! Then it will be the best investment you have ever made.

I will say this though. Over the years as a family of car nuts, we have had access to some fantastic cars. But every time I buy one, within a couple of weeks I am on Autotrader planning my next purchase. I have not touched Autotrader, PH classified or anything alike since the Jaguar arrived. It is perfect, drive superbly, a great place to sit in and looks which makes you sigh every time you drive and catch your reflection is glass shop windows (am I the only one who does that).

Go for it, in 10 years time cars like this won't exist

[xkrGiles]

I have an X100 XKR, tend to get about 15-18mpg on very short runs and upto 25 on steady motorway runs.

On a short spirited run (10 miles) i often see much lower

As your commute is so short, i wouldnt worry about it

[Triple7]

DeadMeat_UK said:

I might highjack this thread a little if I may, rather than start a new one.

I too am looking to go XKR in the next month or two.

One thing puzzled me on the test drive is when I asked the salesman where the temperature gauge was so I knew when to "press on" he said the car didn't need it !

So am I assuming there is no oil temp or even water temp gauge ?

I'm so used to having my eyes glued to it on my 993 to see when it's ok to play, this worries me a bit ! Does the engine limit power/revs/throttle automatically until it's warm automatically, or just rely on owners leaving 5/10 mins before playing ?

I don't think you need it. I give my cars a good 10 fast miles to get warm, stop start/ very cold day won't cut that. There should be a limiter on the engine while it is still cold. It was 3.5k on my steel 4.2 XKR, never found it on my Ali XKR, but then again I never went looking for it. Most people don't keep their cars more than a couple of years these days. Maybe right down the line the engine may exhibit signs of early abuse, but so what, the Jag will be worth about £5 by then and can just be scrapped!

[DeadMeat_UK]

Triple7 said:

DeadMeat_UK said:

I might highjack this thread a little if I may, rather than start a new one.

I too am looking to go XKR in the next month or two.

One thing puzzled me on the test drive is when I asked the salesman where the temperature gauge was so I knew when to "press on" he said the car didn't need it !

So am I assuming there is no oil temp or even water temp gauge ?

I'm so used to having my eyes glued to it on my 993 to see when it's ok to play, this worries me a bit ! Does the engine limit power/revs/throttle automatically until it's warm automatically, or just rely on owners leaving 5/10 mins before playing ?

I don't think you need it. I give my cars a good 10 fast miles to get warm, stop start/ very cold day won't cut that. There should be a limiter on the engine while it is still cold. It was 3.5k on my steel 4.2 XKR, never found it on my Ali XKR, but then again I never went looking for it. Most people don't keep their cars more than a couple of years these days. Maybe right down the line the engine may exhibit signs of early abuse, but so what, the Jag will be worth about £5 by then and can just be scrapped!

Enlighten and depress me at the same time why not :-)

[NormanD]

Triple7 said:

Maybe right down the line the engine may exhibit signs of early abuse,
but so what, the Jag will be worth about £5 by then and can just be scrapped!

That's good to read from a 777 driver, give you real confidance

[DeadMeat_UK]

NormanD said:

That's good to read from a 777 driver, give you real confidance

I also note he now drives a Honda, so bad was the Jag depreciation

[Triple7]

NormanD said:

That's good to read from a 777 driver, give you real confidance

Just 3 mins warm up required on my two Rolls Royces!

[Triple7]

DeadMeat_UK said:

I also note he now drives a Honda, so bad was the Jag depreciation

I'll tell you, I went in for my free John Lewis vouchers with every test drive & rather than earning £25, I spent £15k!!!

I jump in and out of cars, I find I don't do so bad. For me it's all about 'owning' a particular car. Once the box is ticked, rather than lose all my equity, I jump out and try the next must have.

My Jags to date:

3 yr old XK100. Owned for 10 months, lost £2.5k.
Brand new XKR 4.2 S. Owned for 8 months, lost £6k.
3 year old X-Type 3.0 Sport. Owned for 18 months, lost £3k.
Ex-demo Ali XKR 4.2. Owned 12 months, lost £10k.

So that's about 5 years of driving cars and lost about £20k. If I kept my XK100 I would be looking at exactly the same loss.

As you can see, the newer the Jag the more you lose. Still think a 3 year old one is best value for money. The nice thing is the most I'll ever lose on my Honda is £15k.

Think we're going Stuttgart next...........

[DeadMeat_UK]

Triple7 said:

DeadMeat_UK said:

I also note he now drives a Honda, so bad was the Jag depreciation

I'll tell you, I went in for my free John Lewis vouchers with every test drive & rather than earning £25, I spent £15k!!!

I jump in and out of cars, I find I don't do so bad. For me it's all about 'owning' a particular car. Once the box is ticked, rather than lose all my equity, I jump out and try the next must have.

My Jags to date:

3 yr old XK100. Owned for 10 months, lost £2.5k.
Brand new XKR 4.2 S. Owned for 8 months, lost £6k.
3 year old X-Type 3.0 Sport. Owned for 18 months, lost £3k.
Ex-demo Ali XKR 4.2. Owned 12 months, lost £10k.

So that's about 5 years of driving cars and lost about £20k. If I kept my XK100 I would be looking at exactly the same loss.

As you can see, the newer the Jag the more you lose. Still think a 3 year old one is best value for money. The nice thing is the most I'll ever lose on my Honda is £15k.

Think we're going Stuttgart next...........

Oooh, Stuttgart. Now there's a thing. I'm selling my 993 and it's looking like it may well be the least depreciating car I've ever owned, by quite some margin! If I was a patient sort of fella, and I was any good at advertising/selling, I reckon I could hold out for something near to what I paid for it. Even the Jag dealer was offering reasonable for it.

Edited to add, have owned it for 4 years....