Does the Royal Opera House need £26mio/year taxpayer funds?
Does the Royal Opera House need £26mio/year taxpayer funds?
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johnfm

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13,751 posts

280 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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I am a fan of the arts. But in a city like London, full of tourists and wealthy residents, why is the opera in need of £26 mio a year from the Arts Council?

West End theatres seem to manage without it, don't they?


I can imagine why they might support a touring opera company to take it to the masses in the regions which don't have tourist foortfall or wealthy residents to support it, or use the £26 mio to provide free or cheap seats for people on low income. Bu the OPera house could, and should, survive with out taxpayer help. There are enough City law firms, accountancy firms and Private Equity houses to support this sort of thing.




http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/rfo/royal-opera-hous...

loafer123

16,745 posts

245 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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This seems bizarre.

Let's be really kind and assume 1m people are entertained by the various offshoots plus main company - that means we are paying £26 subsidy for each one.

Why?

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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Could do a lot of good science for that much.

Murph7355

42,012 posts

286 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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johnfm said:
...Bu the OPera house could, and should, survive with out taxpayer help. There are enough City law firms, accountancy firms and Private Equity houses to support this sort of thing....
Agreed.

Same thing goes for an awful lot of stuff that taxes fund.

sjg

7,682 posts

295 months

Wednesday 30th March 2011
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johnfm said:
use the £26 mio to provide free or cheap seats for people on low income.
They have tickets as low as £5, and you can get reasonable seats (albeit up high) for £30 or so. We've been several times and not paid more than £40 each.

If you compare with somewhere like the Sydney Opera House, we tried to get tickets but "listening" seats (ie. no view at all of the stage, not just restricted) were $75AU (about £50) and if you wanted to see anything, it was starting at $150AU (£100ish).

Can't account for all of it, but the ROH is one of the most affordable and inclusive places in the world to see top-class opera and ballet.

Murph7355

42,012 posts

286 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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sjg said:
They have tickets as low as £5, and you can get reasonable seats (albeit up high) for £30 or so. We've been several times and not paid more than £40 each.

If you compare with somewhere like the Sydney Opera House, we tried to get tickets but "listening" seats (ie. no view at all of the stage, not just restricted) were $75AU (about £50) and if you wanted to see anything, it was starting at $150AU (£100ish).

Can't account for all of it, but the ROH is one of the most affordable and inclusive places in the world to see top-class opera and ballet.
Are the cheap seats means tested?

It's a pastime. It shouldn't be subsidised by the taxpayer. Is it possible to get a tax subsidy to go to the cinema? To watch Chelsea? To see England play at the Oval or Twickenham...?

If less well off people can't afford to go, tough. I can't afford a 250GT SWB but would desperately love one. The answer is not to get the taxpayer to subside my wants but for me to work harder. Or spunk more on lottery tickets smile

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

284 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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sjg said:
Can't account for all of it, but the ROH is one of the most affordable and inclusive places in the world to see top-class opera and ballet.
Great. Can I have subsidised rock concert tickets and footy ones too?

Why the tax payer is funding your opera tickets I've no idea.

Mr Dave

3,233 posts

225 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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They were complaining on bbc news earlier that £100 million was being cut from the funding of arts/dance/ballet stuff.

Firstly, these things should be able to support themselves, if I had a small business and spent more than I made I would be in trouble very quickly, how these arts productions can operate by spending money they dont have is beyond me. Actually its how the government runs. Nevermind.

The second biggest problem I had with it was that the report didnt say how much the overall budget was. If they were losing £100 million from a £120 million budget then it is vicious cuts, however if the figure is the billions then its not so severe. Bad Biased reporting as usual.

xr287

875 posts

210 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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It does not. Next question.

Murph7355

42,012 posts

286 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Mr Dave said:
They were complaining on bbc news ...
Mind you, there's another organisation that should have it's govt subsidy removed....

Tsippy

15,078 posts

199 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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I saw a report on South Today about the various 'art groups' having funding cuts. One group which will no longer receive funding print books of African origin - I just could not understand why taxpayer money was spent on it!




Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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RobDickinson said:
Why the tax payer is funding your opera tickets I've no idea.
+1

Godzuki

73,668 posts

285 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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xr287 said:
It does not. Next question.
It does not what? Get 26 mil in funds fm the art council?

xr287

875 posts

210 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Godzuki said:
xr287 said:
It does not. Next question.
It does not what? Get 26 mil in funds fm the art council?
Answering the question in the thread title. "Does the Royal Opera House need £26mio/year taxpayer funds?"

Godzuki

73,668 posts

285 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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xr287 said:
Answering the question in the thread title. "Does the Royal Opera House need £26mio/year taxpayer funds?"
Ah... The stick, I got the wrong end of it.

Roberty

1,180 posts

202 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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All the Arts should pay for themselves, end of.

Tsippy

15,078 posts

199 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Roberty said:
All the Arts should pay for themselves, end of.
yes

ninja-lewis

5,463 posts

220 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Sir Humphrey: "Bernard, subsidy is for art...for culture. It is not to be given to what the people want, it is for what the people don't want but ought to have."

oyster

13,785 posts

278 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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Roberty said:
All the Arts should pay for themselves, end of.
Should science?

So should the V&A charge an entry fee whilst the Science museum doesn't?

Mr Dave

3,233 posts

225 months

Thursday 31st March 2011
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oyster said:
Roberty said:
All the Arts should pay for themselves, end of.
Should science?

So should the V&A charge an entry fee whilst the Science museum doesn't?
Science has saved my life.

Has ballet?

Has it fk.