Lies. damn lies and statistics (Bolton again)
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Another load of c
s, road accidents are responsible for about 3% of deaths (IIRC). Smoking is far more dangerous.
As for speed as a direct cause we all know it is about 6-7% maximum (of this 3%) therefore speed causes around 0.18-0.21% of all deaths. [cynical mode] Wow what a huge proportion, we should really hit on this because it will make such a huge difference [/cynical mode]
s, road accidents are responsible for about 3% of deaths (IIRC). Smoking is far more dangerous. As for speed as a direct cause we all know it is about 6-7% maximum (of this 3%) therefore speed causes around 0.18-0.21% of all deaths. [cynical mode] Wow what a huge proportion, we should really hit on this because it will make such a huge difference [/cynical mode]
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I notice the policeman didn't mention speeding. Do you think that was an oversight or is it just possible that speed and speeding has nothing to do with this story?anonymous said:
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Only if they jump out a couple of feet infront of you. In any other circumstance one would hope that the driver would make use of the brakes and/or steering wheel.anonymous said:
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Sorry Jimmy, the biggest contribution to how lethal a bullet is will be it's direction, or to put it another way how competant the person nominally in charge of the gun is. We are however agreed that the same principle applies to cars (my principle, of course).anonymous said:
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We have had this before! Lots of children, very tragically, die through variety of illnesses and DIY/playground accidents. And if more children are dying as result of RTAs - then culprit is the parent who has responsibility for ensuring their child learns how to cross a
road properly I teach mine this, was taught this myself by own parents, and it is not rocket science. Despite higher KSI stats (involving vehicle collisions) in Europe - they still have LESS child pedestrian deaths!
And Dr Jimmy - bullets are lethal if the person firing the shot is good or "lucky???" (not to be misinterpreted!
) shot and actually hits you - in vulnerable spot! Sometimes depends on type of bullet and gun used as well! -though type of vehicle can be just as much deciding factor in RTA as the impact speed itself! (Am half Swiss cheese - know a thing or two about archery and aim and velocity of arrow! and of course - being law abiding pusscat - always practise archery after Church on Sunday! ) Take it the good doc has not heard of point blank range either! Or watched Wild West movies where death depended on fast the draw was! (And even then they sometimes missed!)
Besides you have eyes and ears to observe cars -you do not come across gun toting idiots unless in Moss Side and Hulme! (And they are usually drug and serious gangster criminals!)
Bit of a daft comparison - really!
Edited to add that perhaps more trafpol presence and less camera reliance may draw BiB attention to potential Hit/Runs and other dangerous twazaks before they kill and cause decent drivers to get blanket blame!
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The path of the bullet, what it hits on the way (eg. bone), whether it is tumbling or stable, what its composition it (eg. all lead or nickel-jacketed), whether it fragments (by design or accident), and finally pure luck determines whether a bullet will kill you. A low speed, light-weight fragmentation projectile entering the eye and exiting into the brain along the optic nerve can be fatal. A high-speed, nickel-jacketed bullet which is stable in flight, entering through the side, missing all vital organs and exiting the other side, can easily be survivable.
Comparisons between cars and bullets are wrong ("apples and pears" comes to mind) - Streaky
Comparisons between cars and bullets are wrong ("apples and pears" comes to mind) - Streaky
deltaf said:
Death is the biggest contributing factor.....
NEWS: For immediate release
Birth Kills
After an extensive investigation over 15 years, The Government Camera
Group announced their breakthrough findings today. The conclusion is
that in almost all cases being born leads to death.
The Government Camera Group has been working on speed up until now,
and has been warning us that speed kills, but this has proved
ineffective. "There just weren't enough deaths caused by speed to make
a real difference" said spokesman: Dicky Brainstorm. "We only had a
small handful of deaths where speed was a factor - under 200 each year
in the UK. However in every single one of the 585,000 deaths in the UK
in 2002, birth was found to be a factor."
Dicky points out: "The correlation is astonishing. We haven't been
able to identify even one death that was not preceded by a birth.
People need to understand this right now. Clearly birth is extremely
dangerous and should be stamped out.
The Government Camera Group calls for cameras to be introduced in
Hospital Maternity Wards to monitor anyone who might be stupid enough
to give birth. "There will be substantial fines for those that give
birth", continues Dicky, "How else are we going to get deaths down?"
Further findings are:
* It takes quite a while for Birth to have its deadly effect, "We
estimate somewhere in the region of 40 to 100 years" explains Dicky.
"Of course, that makes it all the more important that we aim to stamp
out birth as soon as possible."
* No other method has proved effective at preventing deaths. "Just
look at the billions we have been wasting on hospitals, doctors and
medicine!" exclaims Dicky, "And none of it has been successful at
preventing deaths."
* There presently seem to be about 6 billion exceptional cases where
death has not followed birth. We're investigating.
* It is expected that the birth cameras will be self-financing both in
terms of fines and in terms of reduction in health care costs. "It's a
win win situation" say Dicky.
Next, The Government Camera Group plans to investigate what the
effects will be on population numbers.
<ends>
SafeSpeed Press Release said:
The Government Camera Group calls for cameras to be introduced in Hospital Maternity Wards to monitor anyone who might be stupid enough to give birth.
That's far too late! To quote the late, great, Spike Milligna (the well-known typing error), "Contraceptives should be worn on every conceivable occasion!" - Streaky
Ps - good spoof though, Paul - S
deltaf said:
Speed is the biggest contributing factor. Without speed we would all be doing 0mph and wouldn't ever hit anything!
Dont you just love these kinds of stupid blanket statements?
Death is the biggest contributing factor.....
Very tounge-in-cheek comment - I'm as bemused by transport policies as the next person. Although I do often think this is what they want!
One thing that I don't hear mentioned much (long time lurker) is the contradictory policies. Broadly speaking the government wants us all on buses and trains - rather than our evil cars. However, the implications on the budget if this happed would be catestrophic.
Currently the motorist is taxed so completely the country would crumble without the income we provide. Road tax, petrol tax, insurance tax (cunningly raised when premiums go up through petty endorsable speeding offences). In relation to the insurance tax issue - I would be interested to know how much budget money is at stake if 'points' for speeding were stopped.
safespeed said:
Death is the biggest contributing factor.....
NEWS: For immediate release
Birth Kills
After an extensive investigation over 15 years, The Government Camera
Group announced their breakthrough findings today. The conclusion is
that in almost all cases being born leads to death.
The Government Camera Group has been working on speed up until now,
and has been warning us that speed kills, but this has proved
ineffective. "There just weren't enough deaths caused by speed to make
a real difference" said spokesman: Dicky Brainstorm. "We only had a
small handful of deaths where speed was a factor - under 200 each year
in the UK. However in every single one of the 585,000 deaths in the UK
in 2002, birth was found to be a factor."
Dicky points out: "The correlation is astonishing. We haven't been
able to identify even one death that was not preceded by a birth.
People need to understand this right now. Clearly birth is extremely
dangerous and should be stamped out.
The Government Camera Group calls for cameras to be introduced in
Hospital Maternity Wards to monitor anyone who might be stupid enough
to give birth. "There will be substantial fines for those that give
birth", continues Dicky, "How else are we going to get deaths down?"
Further findings are:
* It takes quite a while for Birth to have its deadly effect, "We
estimate somewhere in the region of 40 to 100 years" explains Dicky.
"Of course, that makes it all the more important that we aim to stamp
out birth as soon as possible."
* No other method has proved effective at preventing deaths. "Just
look at the billions we have been wasting on hospitals, doctors and
medicine!" exclaims Dicky, "And none of it has been successful at
preventing deaths."
* There presently seem to be about 6 billion exceptional cases where
death has not followed birth. We're investigating.
* It is expected that the birth cameras will be self-financing both in
terms of fines and in terms of reduction in health care costs. "It's a
win win situation" say Dicky.
Next, The Government Camera Group plans to investigate what the
effects will be on population numbers.
<ends>
Paul, you're not becoming cynical are you?
Brilliant, keep up the good work
Maxf said:
One thing that I don't hear mentioned much (long time lurker) is the contradictory policies. Broadly speaking the government wants us all on buses and trains - rather than our evil cars. However, the implications on the budget if this happed would be catestrophic.
It's like smoking. The gov't says it wants people to stop but it can't afford them to really. Yes, there might eventually be lower NHS costs but it wouldn't be immediate.
What the gov't is trying to do is find the balancing point where taxes are high but not too high to stop us paying them, ie. move onto public transport. Can you imagine the chaos if we all did that? Where would all the buses come from? And there's not enough track now to fit the trains on so they couldn't be increased either. No, the way things are, they can say they're doing all they can without actually doing anything. No change there, then.
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