ISA's and tranfering previous sums, possible ?
ISA's and tranfering previous sums, possible ?
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Tampon

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241 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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I don't fully understand ISA's. Lets say I have put £5k for the last 3 years into the best rate ISA each year with three different companies, all of them with no fix term.

Now I would have £15k in ISA's, this year I see a great rate for a fixed term of 3 years, Can I transfer the three ISA's ( the £15k ) I have to this account and it still be tax free ? or would only the first £5k of it be tax free ? or does the money have to stay with the original provider for the life of the investment ?

Basically we have some money and have been looking each year at the best rates, but now we have 3 different ISA's and I was wondering if I could transfer the lot to a new bank as a isa in it entirety, do banks tell other banks that it is "ISA" money and there for transferable ?


littlegreenfairy

10,134 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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As far as I can work out, yes you can. Known as ¨tranfers in¨. Not all institutions let you do it though.

So long as you only put in the 5ishk a year it'll all be tax free including the lump sum moved in.

I will be corrected though wink

Mr Trophy

6,811 posts

219 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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Where is the ISA?

trickywoo

13,119 posts

246 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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As above.

As long as you instruct the existing banks holding your three ISAs to transfer the money (including any interest) to the new ISA account all will be fine. Do not take the money out yourself.

You may find that the attractive rate you have seen does not accept transfers in. This seems common practice.

I move my ISA to the best rate each year as 'introductory' offers expire. Banks are used to moving money about and the new provider should give you all the paperwork required but its pretty simple.

Care to share who the attractive account is with?


Shaun_E

748 posts

276 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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The ISA rules allow you to transfer funds from one ISA to another without losing the tax benefits but the new provider may not allow a transfer in, expecially if they are offering a vey good interest rate. There is a form you have to fill in and it can take up to 3 months for the transfer to happen.

Tampon

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241 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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3 year 4.01%
http://www.aldermore.co.uk/savings/cash-isa.aspx#f...

Northern rock are doing 4.5% on a 5 year deal but that felt too long for me with the interest rates as they are.

Figured 4% is better than what I have been getting so it is better that way and on top I will shouldn't need access to it so happy for it to sit there.

Seems I can tranfer in the money from the others so all is good.

Halifax and cheshire are doing 4.4% if you fancy locking it in for 4 years, again just a touch too long for me.

Tampon

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Tuesday 5th April 2011
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Forgot to say thankyou for the help guys.

V8mate

45,899 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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My missus moved her Cash ISA to HSBC today; got 4.84% AER on a 3.5 year fixed term.

fadeaway

1,463 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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Shaun_E said:
.... and it can take up to 3 months for the transfer to happen.
Not now. From the end of last year banks have to complete the transfer in no more than 15 days, and interest is paid throughout.

Tampon

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Wednesday 6th April 2011
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V8mate said:
My missus moved her Cash ISA to HSBC today; got 4.84% AER on a 3.5 year fixed term.
I had a look at HSBC rang them up, can't find that for love nor money, strange as it beats any 5 year deal out there?

http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/interest-rates/savings-i...

Also they charge a £100 transfer fee which takes a heathly bite out of the interest earned !

Is it customer only deal ? few banks are doing that but only around the 3.3% for a year and 4.something for 4 years ?

Any deatails ?

V8mate

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Tampon

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Wednesday 6th April 2011
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V8mate said:
Cheers.

It isn't a Tax free ISA so the interest is taxable, which makes a 4% deal actually better for her money when you take tax and transfer fees out.

That and the:
"The FTSE 100 Index may fall (after final averaging) over the fixed term. If it does, you will receive your money back plus 2% gross interest (0.57% AER) on the amount you deposited (less any withdrawals)."

Means it is more risk than a standard one year ISA deal at 3.3%



Edited by Tampon on Wednesday 6th April 18:52

V8mate

45,899 posts

205 months

Wednesday 6th April 2011
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It is an ISA - you can choose whether you want it in an ISA wrapper or not.

You're right, there is a risk that you'll get 2% rather than 18% at the end of the 3.5 year term, but LadyV8 found that a comfortable risk position between staying with more mainstream Cash ISAs paying 3-3.3% and moving over to a Stocks & Shares ISA where there was a chance for her to lose her initial capital.

This way, her capital remains whole, she'll definitely get something and there's a pretty good chance that tht something will reasonably exceed the Cash ISA offerings.

kryten

597 posts

241 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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Capital only remains whole in the HSBC deal if you leave it for the entire 3.5 year term

If you need to take it out before then there is no guarantee at all on how much you'll get back

V8mate

45,899 posts

205 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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And that's what long-term saving is about wink

The Leaper

5,346 posts

222 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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My advice before taking out the kind of deal HSBC and others are promoting is first to think about how you'd get your money out and what the penalties are, and second they are not guaranteed to the extent promoted. A lot depends on the credit rating of the underlying investment organisation. A good ploy is to ring or ask at a face to face meeting "what is the credit rating of the investment services provider?". If you get a meaningful response that's a good sign, but you're most likely to get a blank stare and be asked what you're talking about...this response from someone supposed to be providing you with financial advice. Do take care!

R.

Tampon

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Thursday 7th April 2011
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V8mate said:
It is an ISA - you can choose whether you want it in an ISA wrapper or not.

You're right, there is a risk that you'll get 2% rather than 18% at the end of the 3.5 year term, but LadyV8 found that a comfortable risk position between staying with more mainstream Cash ISAs paying 3-3.3% and moving over to a Stocks & Shares ISA where there was a chance for her to lose her initial capital.

This way, her capital remains whole, she'll definitely get something and there's a pretty good chance that tht something will reasonably exceed the Cash ISA offerings.
Ahh I didn't see the option of it being a ISA, sorry (nothing worse than a PH nay sayer ! ), doesn't look too bad if you fancy a bit of risk on it.

cannedheat

953 posts

291 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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The Leaper said:
My advice before taking out the kind of deal HSBC and others are promoting is first to think about how you'd get your money out and what the penalties are, and second they are not guaranteed to the extent promoted. A lot depends on the credit rating of the underlying investment organisation. A good ploy is to ring or ask at a face to face meeting "what is the credit rating of the investment services provider?". If you get a meaningful response that's a good sign, but you're most likely to get a blank stare and be asked what you're talking about...this response from someone supposed to be providing you with financial advice. Do take care!

R.
Regarding the HSBC Stockmarket Linked Savings Acc, there aren't any penalties as such for withdrawing early, but there may be a market value adjustment. This is due to the market value of the underlying derivatives which make the return possible.

Regarding the investment provider, in the case of the 'SLSA' acc the product is provided by HSBC Global Asset Management and the securities probably held with State Street...certainly not some shonky back street provider who might go pop.