IT Graduate to Management?
Discussion
For those who havent been following my "IT Support" thread, I have finished university with a 2:1 in Computer Science and have had 1 years experience doing IT Support. Thats great, I can now get a job in IT, except I'm not really keen on the subject (wish I knew this all those years ago!!). Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy computers but I dont hold the passion I once did (been into them since I was 13).
Looking at alternatives with prospects, Enterprise seem to offer a very comprehensive package, the only requirement being you have a degree or some sort in order to make sure you can absorb all the information as its a steep learning curve.
https://www.enterprisealive.co.uk/
Management, marketing and finance etc. has always facinated me but I've never tried to get involved with it because I have no experience. It seems like it could be the breath of fresh air I'm looking for, and should hopefully get some fires going.
Doing my research, there is a lot to love and a lot to hate. The pay is only £16k which is bloody awful considering you work 53 hours a week, on the upside you could get fast tracked to manager in 2 years, and they do offer incentives for hard work. Apparently the scheme is the practical equivilant of a MBA degree, others say your a glorified car washer. Apparently a lot of people drop out because of the hours and the pay, which is why they recruit all year round.
My question is, does anyone see this a step backwards, compared to getting a regular job in IT? I think I'd struggle with the other IT graduate schemes because the competition is much more fierce with a much higher standard of grades.
Looking at alternatives with prospects, Enterprise seem to offer a very comprehensive package, the only requirement being you have a degree or some sort in order to make sure you can absorb all the information as its a steep learning curve.
https://www.enterprisealive.co.uk/
Management, marketing and finance etc. has always facinated me but I've never tried to get involved with it because I have no experience. It seems like it could be the breath of fresh air I'm looking for, and should hopefully get some fires going.
Doing my research, there is a lot to love and a lot to hate. The pay is only £16k which is bloody awful considering you work 53 hours a week, on the upside you could get fast tracked to manager in 2 years, and they do offer incentives for hard work. Apparently the scheme is the practical equivilant of a MBA degree, others say your a glorified car washer. Apparently a lot of people drop out because of the hours and the pay, which is why they recruit all year round.
My question is, does anyone see this a step backwards, compared to getting a regular job in IT? I think I'd struggle with the other IT graduate schemes because the competition is much more fierce with a much higher standard of grades.
If you're looking at working hard and climbing the greasy pole of management, have a look at the Aldi and Lidl management schemes. They seem to require lots of hard work too, but pay better 
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okgo said:
I don’t mean to be rude by 53 hours is nothing.
And what money would you be on IF they did make you a manager...
53 hours for 16k is poor, considering my last job was 40 hours a week for £20k!And what money would you be on IF they did make you a manager...
My point being, is the 2 years of s
t salary and steep learning curve worth it in the end, when I could go out and hopefully get a £20k or so job right now (more in some cases). I can't help but read your post and have the thought that maybe you should try sticking at one thing and learn enough to become a manager , if you're suited for it , rather than deciding that you want to be a 'manager' without having any idea of what it actually means.
Not everyone can be a manager, it's not just a set of qualifications, it's about experience, personality and being able to deal with your 'underlings'. You'd be surprised how mant peopleend up being managers when they are so obviously not suited to it.
And having breifly looked at your link... do you really see yourself as akin to the 4 gimps in the animation? If so, maybe you should join!
Seriously though, if you're not happy doing what you're doing, try another job, another industry, etc..., but training to become a 'manager' is pointless. IMHO.
Not everyone can be a manager, it's not just a set of qualifications, it's about experience, personality and being able to deal with your 'underlings'. You'd be surprised how mant peopleend up being managers when they are so obviously not suited to it.
And having breifly looked at your link... do you really see yourself as akin to the 4 gimps in the animation? If so, maybe you should join!
Seriously though, if you're not happy doing what you're doing, try another job, another industry, etc..., but training to become a 'manager' is pointless. IMHO.
Piersman2 said:
I can't help but read your post and have the thought that maybe you should try sticking at one thing and learn enough to become a manager , if you're suited for it , rather than deciding that you want to be a 'manager' without having any idea of what it actually means.
Not everyone can be a manager, it's not just a set of qualifications, it's about experience, personality and being able to deal with your 'underlings'. You'd be surprised how mant peopleend up being managers when they are so obviously not suited to it.
And having breifly looked at your link... do you really see yourself as akin to the 4 gimps in the animation? If so, maybe you should join!
Seriously though, if you're not happy doing what you're doing, try another job, another industry, etc..., but training to become a 'manager' is pointless. IMHO.
Thats fair enough Not everyone can be a manager, it's not just a set of qualifications, it's about experience, personality and being able to deal with your 'underlings'. You'd be surprised how mant peopleend up being managers when they are so obviously not suited to it.
And having breifly looked at your link... do you really see yourself as akin to the 4 gimps in the animation? If so, maybe you should join!
Seriously though, if you're not happy doing what you're doing, try another job, another industry, etc..., but training to become a 'manager' is pointless. IMHO.
I'm not attracted to the position "to become a manager", its simply the first position anyone in the company works, before choosing to specialise in something else (finance, marketing etc.).
I think the question it comes down to, is the 2 year scarifice of s
t pay, worth the learning and long term outcome, compared to going straight into a better paid IT job from day one, but with possibly reduced prospects (if you believe all the stigma). okgo said:
I'd say there was going to be a better chance of higher earnings in IT than managing a car rental shop?
And 2 years of st pay to only go to £25k is pretty bad, especially if you earn near that now!
As said though, thats (apparently) only the start of it, before you move to a head office in a field of your preference. But yes, if I get an IT job for £20-25k, in two years time I'm sure I could improve that...And 2 years of s
t pay to only go to £25k is pretty bad, especially if you earn near that now!So you're a computer science nerd and want to be a manager
Seriously though, as above, you might make an exceptionally good manager but it's usually best to know something about something before getting into management.
All the best managers I've worked for have been excellent at their respective specialisms before management and therefore gain the respect and willingness from the workforce to do what is asked of them.
IMHO there really isn't anything worse than someone asking you to implement a strategy when they haven't the foggiest about the issues etc.
Seriously though, as above, you might make an exceptionally good manager but it's usually best to know something about something before getting into management.
All the best managers I've worked for have been excellent at their respective specialisms before management and therefore gain the respect and willingness from the workforce to do what is asked of them.
IMHO there really isn't anything worse than someone asking you to implement a strategy when they haven't the foggiest about the issues etc.
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