Exhaust manifolds
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RedSpike66

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Tuesday 12th April 2011
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There are three original production variants of the speed six engine - 3.6L, 4.0L and 4.0S (Tuscan and Sagaris) if I am not mistaken. What I would like to know is what differences, if any, were there in different exhaust manifolds supplied with the different engines ??

Surely the more tuned/more powerful 4.0S engines would have needed slightly better flowing (larger bore?) manifolds than the standard 3.6L/4.0L, and consequently larger twin pipes travelling back from the Cats ?? People (incl TVR Power) state that the Tuscan does have a better flowing exhaust than all the others

Also, as Racing Green now advertise 'equal length, optimised' exhaust manifolds for Speed Six engines, why didn't TVR do that in the first place?? Can't have cost that much extra to have the optimum manifold design from day one for a performance engine??

Finally, any particular reason why the 4.3 and 4.5 TVR Power engines don't have any exhaust changes, as Dom does say that the Tuscans will have more power because of better exhaust characteristics ?

Cheers

Edited by RedSpike66 on Tuesday 12th April 13:24

Targarama

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Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Just looked up the RG manifolds. £2k yikes

clive f

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Tuesday 12th April 2011
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Targarama said:
Just looked up the RG manifolds. £2k yikes
I`d say thats cheap, ever wondered how long things like that take to make and how much the materials cost before you even start?

in stainless steel the materials alone would be somewhere in the region of £300?

Targarama

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Tuesday 12th April 2011
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clive f said:
I`d say thats cheap, ever wondered how long things like that take to make and how much the materials cost before you even start?

in stainless steel the materials alone would be somewhere in the region of £300?
Sure, but that is a one off level price.

clive f

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Tuesday 12th April 2011
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I don`t think you`d be making these in batches though, could be a while before you get a return on your outlay.

blackiepaul

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Tuesday 12th April 2011
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have to agree for the size of the market they are a pretty good price

RedSpike66

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Wednesday 13th April 2011
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They do look nice don't they? More important mods to spend my well earned on first tho... any ideas on the original question? Are there different manifolds from the factory?

Getsis

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Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Manifolds are the same for all speed 6's. Changes take place at the cats, 'S' and Sags have a larger outlet from the cat and the transition pipes to the cans or the back box.

Tuscans don't have the 90 degree change in direction like the sags do which helps exhaust flow.

RedSpike66

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Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Thanks

s5tvr

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Thursday 14th April 2011
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Getsis said:
Manifolds are the same for all speed 6's. Changes take place at the cats, 'S' and Sags have a larger outlet from the cat and the transition pipes to the cans or the back box.

Tuscans don't have the 90 degree change in direction like the sags do which helps exhaust flow.
Not sure that's correct as my car came with Tuscan S headers which are larger than standard I am led to believe.

RedSpike66

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Thursday 14th April 2011
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I had heard that Tuscan S and Sagaris might have bigger bore manifolds...
I would have thought improving design/bore would have helped the 4.3/4.5s too

Madmatt V8

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Thursday 14th April 2011
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Has anyone had a before and after dyno with these manifolds the see the benefits?

Alan Kee

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Thursday 14th April 2011
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What's wrong with the std manifolds? the cylinder grouping means each manifold sees 3 pulses at 240deg engine rotation apart. they're not seeing much pulse overlap so having the lengths approx equal is good enough. The RG manifolds don't look better in any way that I can tell .. does anyone have before/after engine dyno test results for their manifolds? They may be better but it's hard to see how.

clive f

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Thursday 14th April 2011
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Alan Kee said:
What's wrong with the std manifolds? the cylinder grouping means each manifold sees 3 pulses at 240deg engine rotation apart. they're not seeing much pulse overlap so having the lengths approx equal is good enough. The RG manifolds don't look better in any way that I can tell .. does anyone have before/after engine dyno test results for their manifolds? They may be better but it's hard to see how.
what he says, if there was any advantage to be had by improving the standard manifolds, believe me, I would have made some shiney stainless ones myself by nowhehe

RedSpike66

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Thursday 14th April 2011
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Having seen your Track Day silencers CLive, I'll leave it at that then, and worry about something else ! Any chance of you producing a batch of those Track Day silencers by the way?? PM me if you wish to keep such subjects off the radar..

clive f

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RedSpike66

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Friday 15th April 2011
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Super !