Seen something awfull tonight... what can I do?
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Been outside this afternoon cleaning the cars, really enjoyable except for the idiots flying back at silly speeds, it is a 20 zone and I do not exagerate when I say one BMW 5 series went past doing a minimum of 60.
Anyway, just as I'm finishing off, a white focus loaded up with young lads goes flying past (approx 50mph); just up the road a dog wanders into the road. I wince as I anticipate the inevitable, the focus eventually slams the anchors on, smoke pouring off the tyres but he has no chance of stopping.
Straight over the poor dog, and the guy pauses, then guns it.
I run up the road to see to the dog, but in the meantime people closer to the scene are alreay attending to it. As I arrive the focus is coming back down the road, looking but showing no signs of stopping. I stand in the road and shout for him to stop, but he just floors it at me... I step aside and manage to glance the quarter light with my hand.
As this is happening I have my phone in my hand calling the police, and a lad comes run up to me repeating the reg.
The dog seems ok, though clearly it is impossible to tell if it has internal injury. The owner was found but he was old, and whilst concerned did not want it to go to a vet.
Anyway, my point is this lad was driving like an idiot; as so many do in this street, and not only failed to stop after a reportable incident but also drove straight at me!
The police as usual as a much use as the proverbial; they have identified the lad, he's known to them, but me as a witness is insufficient apparently! And it is my job to see if I can convince anyone else to come forward apparently.
Why is the law so poor in these circumstances? A few years ago I was knocked of my motorbike by an old giffer, despite witnesses the police let him off with a warning, but he was old and frightened because I was wearing a helmet apparently!!!
So angry right now, firstly at this little scrote and secondly at the inadequacy of the law!
Anyway, this is a real issue where I live, idiots using the street as a rat run at high speed, realistically apart from going all Charles Bronson on them, what can I do realistically?
Anyway, just as I'm finishing off, a white focus loaded up with young lads goes flying past (approx 50mph); just up the road a dog wanders into the road. I wince as I anticipate the inevitable, the focus eventually slams the anchors on, smoke pouring off the tyres but he has no chance of stopping.
Straight over the poor dog, and the guy pauses, then guns it.
I run up the road to see to the dog, but in the meantime people closer to the scene are alreay attending to it. As I arrive the focus is coming back down the road, looking but showing no signs of stopping. I stand in the road and shout for him to stop, but he just floors it at me... I step aside and manage to glance the quarter light with my hand.
As this is happening I have my phone in my hand calling the police, and a lad comes run up to me repeating the reg.
The dog seems ok, though clearly it is impossible to tell if it has internal injury. The owner was found but he was old, and whilst concerned did not want it to go to a vet.
Anyway, my point is this lad was driving like an idiot; as so many do in this street, and not only failed to stop after a reportable incident but also drove straight at me!
The police as usual as a much use as the proverbial; they have identified the lad, he's known to them, but me as a witness is insufficient apparently! And it is my job to see if I can convince anyone else to come forward apparently.
Why is the law so poor in these circumstances? A few years ago I was knocked of my motorbike by an old giffer, despite witnesses the police let him off with a warning, but he was old and frightened because I was wearing a helmet apparently!!!
So angry right now, firstly at this little scrote and secondly at the inadequacy of the law!
Anyway, this is a real issue where I live, idiots using the street as a rat run at high speed, realistically apart from going all Charles Bronson on them, what can I do realistically?
Garlick said:
Wonder why he came back to the scene?
Also, the bloke should've taken the poor mutt for a check up
With you on both of those points! Also, the bloke should've taken the poor mutt for a check up
Perhaps he was going to stop but I might have put him off in hindsight, while I'm not 6'1" and 18stone with a goatee, I have lifted weights the last 10years or so, I was wearing a wife beater vest and I was slightly pissed off, so might have looked a little intimidating.
Maybe he was unsure what he hit though?
My wife got me to pop along to see about the dog and to try to persuade to fella to take it to a vet (we offered him transport too) but he was adement it was ok.
My next door neighbour was out earlier with his little girl and her new bike, but was unable to let her ride it infront of our houses because of idiots like this. You shouldn't have that concern in a 20mph residential area.
Garlick said:
Wonder why he came back to the scene?
Also, the bloke should've taken the poor mutt for a check up
Guilty conscience ? and +1 for the check up. Mrs Chaz is a vet nurse and they have had a couple of cases where dogs have been hit by cars bought in a day or two later and the dammage far worse for it Also, the bloke should've taken the poor mutt for a check up
sebdangerfield said:
Can't see what more the police could do if the dog wasn't injured. If it's not injured it's not an accident so all they have is your opinion that the focus driver was doing 60 in a 20. I appreciate actually seeing the incident was traumatic but I don't see what else could be done.
The dog will have injuries but perhaps not serious..so still an RTAsebdangerfield said:
Can't see what more the police could do if the dog wasn't injured. If it's not injured it's not an accident so all they have is your opinion that the focus driver was doing 60 in a 20. I appreciate actually seeing the incident was traumatic but I don't see what else could be done.
Failed to stop after a reportable incident. Also he drove straight at me.What really angered me though is they said ordinarily they would go have a word, but he is a known wrongun' so they don't think it's worth bothering!
How come a call from a member of the public can result in a section 59 in other instances?
Lynch mob sounds a good idea TBF, but you can guarantee the police would soon do something about that!
Stories like this piss me off so much, some scrote has wiped a dog out, and perhaps more seriously driven straight at someone (I don't know what that comes under if they were to be booked) and yet plod won't do anything, but if you were to teach the horrible little t
t a well deserved lesson by beating seven shades of st out of him with a golf club they'd chuck the fking book at you.
t a well deserved lesson by beating seven shades of st out of him with a golf club they'd chuck the fking book at you.I'm not disagreeing with either of you, I'm just looking at it from wholly evidential point of view as the police would. It would be a reportable accident if the dog has injuries oweing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road. However, prosecution need to prove those injuries and as dogs are notoriously poor in the witness box, medical evidence is needed which isn't there. If I was defending this I'd also add the dogs owner, the person who cares most about him, thought there was no injury and didn't even get him checked out. Therefore no injury, therefore no requirement to stop for my client.
The other part, driving at the op is just going to be two people in court saying different things. Unless there is more evidence or other witnesses the mags will likely throw it out.
As I said, I fully agree with both of you. I'm just playing devil's advocate and stating it isn't the fault of the police, it's the fault of the criminal justice system.
The other part, driving at the op is just going to be two people in court saying different things. Unless there is more evidence or other witnesses the mags will likely throw it out.
As I said, I fully agree with both of you. I'm just playing devil's advocate and stating it isn't the fault of the police, it's the fault of the criminal justice system.
This is why you should earn more money and move to a nicer area.
Less knobishly, you say lots of traffic does high speeds on this street, not just the chavs in the Focus?
If its a 20, and people as you say are doing 40 plus, then maybe the council need to get involved? I'm their last fan, but speed bumps DO work.
Hope the old doggie is OK, he/she (just like us) will probably feel it tomorrow.
As for confronting them, leave it. Karma is alive and active. It grows well if you let it.
Less knobishly, you say lots of traffic does high speeds on this street, not just the chavs in the Focus?
If its a 20, and people as you say are doing 40 plus, then maybe the council need to get involved? I'm their last fan, but speed bumps DO work.
Hope the old doggie is OK, he/she (just like us) will probably feel it tomorrow.
As for confronting them, leave it. Karma is alive and active. It grows well if you let it.
sebdangerfield said:
I'm not disagreeing with either of you, I'm just looking at it from wholly evidential point of view as the police would. It would be a reportable accident if the dog has injuries oweing to the presence of a motor vehicle on a road. However, prosecution need to prove those injuries and as dogs are notoriously poor in the witness box, medical evidence is needed which isn't there. If I was defending this I'd also add the dogs owner, the person who cares most about him, thought there was no injury and didn't even get him checked out. Therefore no injury, therefore no requirement to stop for my client.
The other part, driving at the op is just going to be two people in court saying different things. Unless there is more evidence or other witnesses the mags will likely throw it out.
As I said, I fully agree with both of you. I'm just playing devil's advocate and stating it isn't the fault of the police, it's the fault of the criminal justice system.
No problem I appreciate your view and I can see your point. I will be out, first thing tomorrow, seeing if anyone else will be prepared to speak up about this.The other part, driving at the op is just going to be two people in court saying different things. Unless there is more evidence or other witnesses the mags will likely throw it out.
As I said, I fully agree with both of you. I'm just playing devil's advocate and stating it isn't the fault of the police, it's the fault of the criminal justice system.
This being PH, I am surprised it has taken this long for someone to relate this to how much money I earn
But yes, it may be worth seeing what the council can do, we have speed bumps; but they are the type which are just in the middle of each lane, and do nothing to slow down an average car.
Chill Winston said:
if you were to teach the horrible little tt a well deserved lesson by beating seven shades of st out of him with a golf club they'd chuck the fking book at you.
What? So you think it should be ok to beat someone with a golf club for speeding, or hitting a dog?t a well deserved lesson by beating seven shades of st out of him with a golf club they'd chuck the fking book at you.Anyway I thought the rules had changed and hitting a dog was no longer reportable??
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