Quick 4Motion question

[UVB]

Considering a 2.0tdi Golf and am vaguely aware of a 4Motion version; is it full time 4wd or a Haldex?

[DickSkruttock]

Haldex.

Make sure the oil is changed every 20k and filter every 40k.

[deveng]

DickSkruttock said:

Haldex.

Make sure the oil is changed every 20k and filter every 40k.

If only you'd told this to the previous owner of my car, bought it at 40k without the system ever being touched!

[cuprabob]

Depends what gen of Haldex it is. Earlier ones used on MK4 Golf are 20k intervals for oil and 40k for filter whereas the later ones used on MKV Golf R32 are 40k miles for oil and filter.

[UVB]

Shame; will probably just go for the front wheel drive and amuse myself with the torque steer.

[martin mrt]

Bear in mind a Golf 4 motion TDi in the uk is a rare beast, only sold in 2005/2006 if memory serves me right

[DickSkruttock]

cuprabob said:

Depends what gen of Haldex it is. Earlier ones used on MK4 Golf are 20k intervals for oil and 40k for filter whereas the later ones used on MKV Golf R32 are 40k miles for oil and filter.

That's good point. I'm changing the oil and filter every 20k as my S3 is over 10 years old.

For a few ££ extra at it's time of life, it may help it through it's middle age

[Dr G]

martin mrt said:

Bear in mind a Golf 4 motion TDi in the uk is a rare beast, only sold in 2005/2006 if memory serves me right

Correct, VW dropped it after this owing to poor sales.

I understand there was a TDI 4-motion Leon also (never sold in the UK).

[aka_kerrly]

Dr G said:

Correct, VW dropped it after this owing to poor sales.

I understand there was a TDI 4-motion Leon also (never sold in the UK).

We get a rough deal over here, in Europe you can also buy Leons with 2.8 VR6 + 4motion set up. I guess until the last couple of years when we have had piddly amounts of snow there has never been the demand for 4x4 hatchbacks. Aside from the S3/R32/Scooby WRX/Evos are there any other 4x4 hatches?

dave

[cuprabob]

aka_kerrly said:

We get a rough deal over here, in Europe you can also buy Leons with 2.8 VR6 + 4motion set up. I guess until the last couple of years when we have had piddly amounts of snow there has never been the demand for 4x4 hatchbacks. Aside from the S3/R32/Scooby WRX/Evos are there any other 4x4 hatches?

dave

Yes, Fiat Panda 4X4 and Suzuki SX4 :-)

[snowmuncher]

Octavia 1.8 20v Turbo 4x4 & Octavia 1.9 TDI 4x4 ( Golf Mk.4 ) and Mk.5 Golf platform versions too

Audi A3 Quattros (1.8T,1.9TDI,3.2)

None of the Golf or Bora 1.8T 4Motions where ever release in the UK
Nor where the any of the saloon/estate Bora 1.9TDI 4motions

I know the Leon4 came with both 1.8T and 1.9TDI options
Its possible there there Toledo versions too

Edited by snowmuncher on Wednesday 4th May 08:15

[UVB]

I used to have a Mazda 323 that had a 1.6 turbo engine in it with full time 4WD that was great fun to drive.

[UVB]

Shame on me for not mentioning the Lancia Delta as well!

[ian_c_uk]

UVB said:

Shame; will probably just go for the front wheel drive and amuse myself with the torque steer.

Before you write off haldex, try it.

[UVB]

That's actually usually my own advice to other people on other topics so fair play to you sir!

[snowmuncher]

ian_c_uk said:

Before you write off haldex, try it.

+1; excellent system, very capable, fitted to everying from Veyrons to new LandRover Discovery's.

I have haldex and torque steer

[ian_c_uk]

snowmuncher said:

+1; excellent system, very capable, fitted to everying from Veyrons to new LandRover Discovery's.

I have haldex and torque steer

The new Lamborghini Aventador must be rubbish too, also uses a haldex

Fairly sure all (the Leon and Octy certainly are) on that platform with haldex also have independant wishbone rear suspension also, as opposed to the torsion beam on the FWD models.

[ian_c_uk]

UVB said:

That's actually usually my own advice to other people on other topics so fair play to you sir!

If you believe everything you read about haldex, you'd think the front wheels spin for 10 seconds before it wakes up. It's quick to react (yes you can get the tail out with enough power / not enough grip) and yet will achieve much better MPG than a Torsen setup.

[D_G]

ian_c_uk said:

If you believe everything you read about haldex, you'd think the front wheels spin for 10 seconds before it wakes up. It's quick to react (yes you can get the tail out with enough power / not enough grip) and yet will achieve much better MPG than a Torsen setup.

My 4-mo would do four wheel drifts no problem but the fuel comsumption was terrible.

[Ranger 6]

snowmuncher said:

+1; excellent system, very capable, fitted to everying from Veyrons to new Land Rover Freelanders.

EFA