Boiler on and off constantly
Boiler on and off constantly
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vescaegg

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29,179 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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Hi everyone, I hope someone can shed some light on what my boiler is doing!

I've just moved into a new place and the boiler seems to be cycling on and off (the actual ignition and sequence and flame) a hell of a lot. I got a gas safety cert done a month ago which said all was safe but that the boiler does not 'regulate down properly'-this apparently means it gets to top temperature and where it should cool down slightly to regulate the thermostat temperature, it's actualy switching off and starting over again. It does this approx every 5 minutes.

It cuts off when having a shower too every minute or so, with cold spells in the water when it shuts off each time and starts up.

Could the boiler be getting too hot as it cant regulate correctly and cutting out as a safety feature?

Does anyone know how I may fix this an why it may be doing it? It just seems to be doing a lot and cant be a good thing; especially efficiency wise!

Thanks for any help.

Edited by vescaegg on Wednesday 4th May 22:55

Ricky_M

6,618 posts

243 months

Wednesday 4th May 2011
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Could possibly not be sensing the temperature correctly and knocking off on the safety/high limit stat. Some boilers have automatic resetting stats, so most wouldn't actual notice it.

What boiler is it?

Arthur Jackson

2,111 posts

254 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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It sounds like it's a modulating combi boiler and it's not modulating. Shutting off on hot water demand isn't good. Sounds like a thermistor would be first port of call.

vescaegg

Original Poster:

29,179 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Ricky_M said:
Could possibly not be sensing the temperature correctly and knocking off on the safety/high limit stat. Some boilers have automatic resetting stats, so most wouldn't actual notice it.

What boiler is it?
It's a Worcester 24cdi approx 6 years old.

cjs

11,487 posts

275 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Does this happen for central heating and HW? Do you have a proper thermostatic valve on your shower?

vescaegg

Original Poster:

29,179 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Happens for heating and hot water yeah. Don't have a thermostatic valve on the shower it's just a bath mixer tap with flex hose on a riser rail.

Maniman

236 posts

242 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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I have a Potterton boiler, which kept switching on and off. Turned out to be a circuit board that needed changing out, due to dry joints on the board. This is a problem with Potterton boilers, so might not be your answer?!

Had the board changed out and all is fine now.

Mani

ianreeves

259 posts

228 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Ours did this in the 'new' house we moved into.

After a good look I noticed the cyclinder thermostat although connected was sitting about 20mm away from the tank.

A quick removal and cut of the foam jacket and it now sits back snug and against the copper tank.

Boiler no longer cycles smile


cal72

7,839 posts

194 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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We had a similar issue with ours recently, engineer tried gas valves(thought it worked but 2 days later), circuit board, thermostat, even tried emptying boiler and re-presurise it and nothing fixed it.
We got a new boiler in the end.

vescaegg

Original Poster:

29,179 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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cal72 said:
We had a similar issue with ours recently, engineer tried gas valves(thought it worked but 2 days later), circuit board, thermostat, even tried emptying boiler and re-presurise it and nothing fixed it.
We got a new boiler in the end.
God dont say that!

I have been advised by a plumber (over the phone without seeing it) that it sounds like the heat exchanger may be scaled up and causing the issue. Hopefully it is and wont be too expensive frown

Pete Franklin

849 posts

205 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Sorry if this sounds a bit basic but I assume you have checked that the system pressure is ok? my combi boiler (also a Worcester of that age but cant remember model no) exhibited similar symptoms and it was just a case of the system pressure being too low. repressurised it and problem solved.

illmonkey

19,631 posts

222 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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My boiler does a similar thing. It'll run the CH for 5 minutes, then turn off for 5 minutes, repeat.

We don't have a thermostat in the house, and my plumber said that it was getting the water (for the rads) upto temp then shutting off, as it had no other way to know if it was hot enough. Problem was, we'd have to keep turning the boiler on/off when it was too cold/hot.

vescaegg

Original Poster:

29,179 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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Pete Franklin said:
Sorry if this sounds a bit basic but I assume you have checked that the system pressure is ok? my combi boiler (also a Worcester of that age but cant remember model no) exhibited similar symptoms and it was just a case of the system pressure being too low. repressurised it and problem solved.
Out of interest what pressure does yours run at? Mine hovers around 1 bar when in use. But it drops away quickly if i leave it for a few days. A week sees me having to recharge from nothing......

Ricky_M

6,618 posts

243 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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vescaegg said:
It's a Worcester 24cdi approx 6 years old.
It could be a number of things. Is the water scalding hot?

Cheapest thing first, try the hot water thermistor.

Arthur Jackson

2,111 posts

254 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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The shower symptoms are certainly those of a blocked plate, BUT if it misbehaves on CH too I'd look at the thermistor first, although if the gas valve is not modulating you'd certainly get these symptoms.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

269 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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vescaegg said:
It's a Worcester 24cdi approx 6 years old.
My daughter's house has, if not the same boiler, then one from that series, about the same age, and I'm convinced it's not modulating.

Look at the chart at the back of the instuction book (download it if you haven't got it).

When it's running the CH it should start at a low level for a minute, then ramp up, then modulate back to maintain the flow temp. Her's stays at full power and so the boiler quickly hits its high limit and cuts out. It won't refire then for 3 mins, after which the cycle repeats.

On HW it should come on at full power, then back-off to maintain a steady temp. Her's does same as your's - on/off so the the water termperature oscillates.

She was able to take out a BG service contract without an inspection as the previous owner had one, so we're leaving it a few mths and will get them in.

Edited by Deva Link on Thursday 5th May 23:25

Ricky_M

6,618 posts

243 months

Thursday 5th May 2011
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vescaegg said:
It's a Worcester 24cdi approx 6 years old.
It could be a number of things. Is the water scalding hot?

Cheapest thing first, try the hot water thermistor.

cjs

11,487 posts

275 months

Friday 6th May 2011
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vescaegg said:
Out of interest what pressure does yours run at? Mine hovers around 1 bar when in use. But it drops away quickly if i leave it for a few days. A week sees me having to recharge from nothing......
If the pressure is dropping you either have a leak in the system or it is exhausting out of the safety/pressure valve. You should not need to top up the pressure if all is working well.

I suspect water is exhausting from the valve. There should be a drain pipe come from the back of the boiler to the outside, see if any water is come out of this, you may need to tie a plastic bag over the end of the pipe to see if it fills with water. If so this is a symptom of your problem.