2003 4.4 V8 Vogue
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Generally fairly sound with a few niggles as you'd expect of a vintage car. They have the odd electrical gremlin as they get older. Careful with the gearbox. The TD6s are weaker but it's worth checking the gearbox oil has been changed occasionally (each Inspection II is probably enough), otherwise expect the gearbox to give you some issues.
There was also the "exploding front diff" recall. I would imagine most cars have now been sorted but this recall is due to end fairly shortly.
Also, caution cooling systems (rads die after six years or so) and alternators (expensive to replace as complicated water-cooled).
There was also the "exploding front diff" recall. I would imagine most cars have now been sorted but this recall is due to end fairly shortly.
Also, caution cooling systems (rads die after six years or so) and alternators (expensive to replace as complicated water-cooled).
krusty said:
I'm looking at adding one of these to the fleet. I've already got a 3.9 Classic and until recently a V8 Defender.
Anyone got any horror stories that they want to try and put me off with?
i have a 2005 4.4 V8 with full dealer history - bought in Feb this year - bills so far exceed £3KAnyone got any horror stories that they want to try and put me off with?
nothing MAJOR apart from new steering column! (£1300) plus tow in to dealer
and
a) suspension bushes etc required less than 3K miles after MOT - no advisory issued?
b) air suspension problems
c) door latch cable - nothing you would think but £200+
d) corrosion on glass of drivers door mirror - £155.04 plus VAT for glass only - not done obviously at those prices
e) ABS sensor - plus tow in to dealer £350+
f) aircon - paid for full service etc - was not cold - allegedly sorted - now told need new condenser!
g) 'squeaking' from rear - checked and parts replaced costing £500+ - problem still there - suggested a 'dry' bush (not a mechanic but have a brain) - bushes lubricated - squeak gone!
h) now throwing up an 'error' message when parked only on a slope - front end down - check coolant level
so my opinion?
great car when it works ok but forget 'dealer' history as faults are like tarts - they come in unexpected places!!
JW911 said:
Generally fairly sound with a few niggles as you'd expect of a vintage car. They have the odd electrical gremlin as they get older. Careful with the gearbox. The TD6s are weaker but it's worth checking the gearbox oil has been changed occasionally (each Inspection II is probably enough), otherwise expect the gearbox to give you some issues.
There was also the "exploding front diff" recall. I would imagine most cars have now been sorted but this recall is due to end fairly shortly.
Also, caution cooling systems (rads die after six years or so) and alternators (expensive to replace as complicated water-cooled).
the L322 is hardly a 'vintage car'? - its still in production! - changes have been made along the way as part of the cars 'evolution' but most things are still the sameThere was also the "exploding front diff" recall. I would imagine most cars have now been sorted but this recall is due to end fairly shortly.
Also, caution cooling systems (rads die after six years or so) and alternators (expensive to replace as complicated water-cooled).
interesting comment ref oil? - supposed to be sealed for life
main dealers refuse to change the transmission oil - you have to get it done at independents (best choose a BMW expert) costs about £150
Edited by grand cherokee on Friday 2nd September 11:35
I wouldn't pay too much attention to GC (GC why did you buy the damn car? You were whining about their unreliability for ages before you went and bought it, then you go and buy a lemon, despite being such an expert!).
To OP, generally no more problems than you'll find with any comparable car. The atrocious reliability record it mainly down to front diff issues, which were eventually resolved with a full recall.
You want to check all the air suspension is working, probably get the gearbox oil changed if it hasn't already been done.
Check out the fullfatrr.com website for unbiased opinions and advice, best forum for Range Rovers, the guys over there will be able to help you with any issues which do crop up.
On balance, people will either love or hate Range Rover ownership, if you get a good one, you'll never go back. I've been without one for a few weeks, so just purchased another, and can't wait to get back into it. Anything else is just a car!
Good luck!
To OP, generally no more problems than you'll find with any comparable car. The atrocious reliability record it mainly down to front diff issues, which were eventually resolved with a full recall.
You want to check all the air suspension is working, probably get the gearbox oil changed if it hasn't already been done.
Check out the fullfatrr.com website for unbiased opinions and advice, best forum for Range Rovers, the guys over there will be able to help you with any issues which do crop up.
On balance, people will either love or hate Range Rover ownership, if you get a good one, you'll never go back. I've been without one for a few weeks, so just purchased another, and can't wait to get back into it. Anything else is just a car!
Good luck!
bozmandb9 said:
I wouldn't pay too much attention to GC (GC why did you buy the damn car? You were whining about their unreliability for ages before you went and bought it, then you go and buy a lemon, despite being such an expert!).
....
the OP asked for any horror stories - so i gave an example of what can go wrong that it totally unforeseen....
and how could i have talked about unreliability before i bought the car?
and i'm most certainly anything but an expert on any aspect of cars hence why all my servicing etc is carried out by reputable 'garages'
its NOT a lemon as you call it - its in excellent condition with every main dealer stamp/service possible at main dealers inc Lookers Park Royal (who gave the car a 'clean bill of health' in a phone conversation and recommended it!) and Stratstone (it was also bought off a FFRR forum member!!!)
also Boz i can afford to run/keep my car - not have to sell it? - seem to recall you had to sell the last Supercharged? - now you have to buy an accident damaged car?
just been checking with friends/parents and i/we know over 15 people with RR's - some sports some FF
some cars are less than a year old - various degrees of problems but NOBODY has had a trouble free car!
the worst 'offender' is a RR sport less than 1 year old than has not gone ONE MONTH without being back with the main dealer for some fault or other
furthermore, when i complained about my 'problems' my main dealer service assistant tried to console me with the words 'Nick, i've seen cars less than one year old with more problems'!
Boz, you like a few others are in denial about the cars problems - too much in love with range rover ownership!
i've not sold my car because i can afford the maintainance and i love it when it works
Edited by grand cherokee on Saturday 3rd September 12:04
Thanks for the feedback and specifically to fullfatrr.com, I can see me spending quite a lot of time there in the future.
Well I’ve looked at 3 over the weekend, am still coming to grips with the price range out there. 02/03 models range from £8K - £13K with dealer / private prices being almost identical. I phoned a guy I know in the trade and he quoted the trade price at £7K for an 02 100K miles. I guess it’s just supply and demand.
I’ll find a good one, just need to keep looking (or spend a little more money)
Well I’ve looked at 3 over the weekend, am still coming to grips with the price range out there. 02/03 models range from £8K - £13K with dealer / private prices being almost identical. I phoned a guy I know in the trade and he quoted the trade price at £7K for an 02 100K miles. I guess it’s just supply and demand.
I’ll find a good one, just need to keep looking (or spend a little more money)
Krusty, The are really great value, I have one for sale its on Full fat and on here its a 2002 with 139k full speck for £7995, no dents scratches.
Has full spec TV, Tow pack heated rear and front seats, NAv etc etc
Everything works, has a new land rover battery, 4 new scorpions and has just had the final stage resistor done, 11 month mot 6 months tax and full service history.
Only selling as my new one arrives on the 17th of september.
I get 20 mpg and its so much better than the diesel !!
Phib
Has full spec TV, Tow pack heated rear and front seats, NAv etc etc
Everything works, has a new land rover battery, 4 new scorpions and has just had the final stage resistor done, 11 month mot 6 months tax and full service history.
Only selling as my new one arrives on the 17th of september.
I get 20 mpg and its so much better than the diesel !!
Phib
Sounds like I have a good one. I did a lot of research before I bought it though.
Yes, it's had niggles but the only one I would put down to being Rangie specific is the diff - which won't go again.
I've put 40k miles on it in three years (now has 72k) and the most expensive problem is that I now want to trade up for a TDV8 Vogue SE.
Yes, it's had niggles but the only one I would put down to being Rangie specific is the diff - which won't go again.
I've put 40k miles on it in three years (now has 72k) and the most expensive problem is that I now want to trade up for a TDV8 Vogue SE.
to the op - best of luck
i had a very long talk yesterday with my main dealer who strenuously denies boz's allegations that my car is a 'lemon' (but it was not an accident damaged right off? - yours? - drunk driver so damage is not logged or registered with insurers - and you had the b
ks to call my car a lemon?)
quite simply i was unlucky that i had a series of problems that could not be foretold by service/diagnosis or God himself
thats one of the drawbacks of car ownership - and yes its galling on an expensive car that you expect to be 'more' reliable?
i also asked SPECIFICALLY which of my problems would be covered by extended warranty? (this btw is provided by a warranty company, Car Care, not LR UK) - hardly anything would have been covered!
so, yes i love the car but i gave my circumstances to the OP of what could go wrong and the associated costs
hope this clarifies matters?
i had a very long talk yesterday with my main dealer who strenuously denies boz's allegations that my car is a 'lemon' (but it was not an accident damaged right off? - yours? - drunk driver so damage is not logged or registered with insurers - and you had the b
ks to call my car a lemon?)quite simply i was unlucky that i had a series of problems that could not be foretold by service/diagnosis or God himself
thats one of the drawbacks of car ownership - and yes its galling on an expensive car that you expect to be 'more' reliable?
i also asked SPECIFICALLY which of my problems would be covered by extended warranty? (this btw is provided by a warranty company, Car Care, not LR UK) - hardly anything would have been covered!
so, yes i love the car but i gave my circumstances to the OP of what could go wrong and the associated costs
hope this clarifies matters?
Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 7th September 11:59
Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 7th September 12:02
It's a 52 Vogue 4.4 with Artic white leather. was given the 'charger look by the previous owner but most of the chrome is coming off. (mirror covers already off.)
Very pleased with it, a lot of car for the money
As for the Grill, I guess so as the light wipers work fine
Very pleased with it, a lot of car for the money
As for the Grill, I guess so as the light wipers work fine
Edited by krusty on Monday 12th September 12:39
grand cherokee said:
i have a 2005 4.4 V8 with full dealer history - bought in Feb this year - bills so far exceed £3K
nothing MAJOR apart from new steering column! (£1300) plus tow in to dealer
and
a) suspension bushes etc required less than 3K miles after MOT - no advisory issued?
b) air suspension problems
c) door latch cable - nothing you would think but £200+
d) corrosion on glass of drivers door mirror - £155.04 plus VAT for glass only - not done obviously at those prices
e) ABS sensor - plus tow in to dealer £350+
f) aircon - paid for full service etc - was not cold - allegedly sorted - now told need new condenser!
g) 'squeaking' from rear - checked and parts replaced costing £500+ - problem still there - suggested a 'dry' bush (not a mechanic but have a brain) - bushes lubricated - squeak gone!
h) now throwing up an 'error' message when parked only on a slope - front end down - check coolant level
so my opinion?
great car when it works ok but forget 'dealer' history as faults are like tarts - they come in unexpected places!!
Yowch! Where are you getting your work carried out? Sounds like you are getting ripped off to me!nothing MAJOR apart from new steering column! (£1300) plus tow in to dealer
and
a) suspension bushes etc required less than 3K miles after MOT - no advisory issued?
b) air suspension problems
c) door latch cable - nothing you would think but £200+
d) corrosion on glass of drivers door mirror - £155.04 plus VAT for glass only - not done obviously at those prices
e) ABS sensor - plus tow in to dealer £350+
f) aircon - paid for full service etc - was not cold - allegedly sorted - now told need new condenser!
g) 'squeaking' from rear - checked and parts replaced costing £500+ - problem still there - suggested a 'dry' bush (not a mechanic but have a brain) - bushes lubricated - squeak gone!
h) now throwing up an 'error' message when parked only on a slope - front end down - check coolant level
so my opinion?
great car when it works ok but forget 'dealer' history as faults are like tarts - they come in unexpected places!!
Why did you need a new steering column out of interest? Was it the telescopic reach that was broken? If so then that is a DIY fix job - although a LR dealer will tell you you need a whole new column or at least new adjustor motor. Outragous.
Door latch cable - mine broke too. Nw part (cable) is less than £20 - and thats from LR themselves. Plus an hour labour (max!). £200 quid sounds like waaaay too much to me for that.
Get yourself to a good independent and make freinds with someone who has a sync-mate to fix EAS problems.
I've had my 2003 L322 for 2 years now and had no major dramas in that time; work done is:
- door latch (as above)
- Front calipers replaced (sticking) (if you have this problem, buy early BMW X5 calipers, they are exactly the same, but cost less than if you order through LR)
- Normal servicing (less than £400 for Insp 1 service this year from Keith Gott Indy garage)
- Bushes
Thats it. So these car CAN be reliable if looked after properly. Keep away from main dealers, their default setting is to charge you as much as possible to fix simple issues and from my experience with them they often don't even know these vehicles that well; mechanics there just follow the text book and over-rely on what electronic diagnostic tools 'tell them' rather than using basic common sense.
Voguely said:
Yowch! Where are you getting your work carried out? Sounds like you are getting ripped off to me!
Why did you need a new steering column out of interest? Was it the telescopic reach that was broken? If so then that is a DIY fix job - although a LR dealer will tell you you need a whole new column or at least new adjustor motor. Outragous.
Door latch cable - mine broke too. Nw part (cable) is less than £20 - and thats from LR themselves. Plus an hour labour (max!). £200 quid sounds like waaaay too much to me for that.
Get yourself to a good independent and make freinds with someone who has a sync-mate to fix EAS problems.
I've had my 2003 L322 for 2 years now and had no major dramas in that time; work done is:
- door latch (as above)
- Front calipers replaced (sticking) (if you have this problem, buy early BMW X5 calipers, they are exactly the same, but cost less than if you order through LR)
- Normal servicing (less than £400 for Insp 1 service this year from Keith Gott Indy garage)
- Bushes
Thats it. So these car CAN be reliable if looked after properly. Keep away from main dealers, their default setting is to charge you as much as possible to fix simple issues and from my experience with them they often don't even know these vehicles that well; mechanics there just follow the text book and over-rely on what electronic diagnostic tools 'tell them' rather than using basic common sense.
Ah you are forgetting the post above it. Why did you need a new steering column out of interest? Was it the telescopic reach that was broken? If so then that is a DIY fix job - although a LR dealer will tell you you need a whole new column or at least new adjustor motor. Outragous.
Door latch cable - mine broke too. Nw part (cable) is less than £20 - and thats from LR themselves. Plus an hour labour (max!). £200 quid sounds like waaaay too much to me for that.
Get yourself to a good independent and make freinds with someone who has a sync-mate to fix EAS problems.
I've had my 2003 L322 for 2 years now and had no major dramas in that time; work done is:
- door latch (as above)
- Front calipers replaced (sticking) (if you have this problem, buy early BMW X5 calipers, they are exactly the same, but cost less than if you order through LR)
- Normal servicing (less than £400 for Insp 1 service this year from Keith Gott Indy garage)
- Bushes
Thats it. So these car CAN be reliable if looked after properly. Keep away from main dealers, their default setting is to charge you as much as possible to fix simple issues and from my experience with them they often don't even know these vehicles that well; mechanics there just follow the text book and over-rely on what electronic diagnostic tools 'tell them' rather than using basic common sense.
grand cherokee said:
also Boz i can afford to run/keep my car - not have to sell it? - seem to recall you had to sell the last Supercharged? - now you have to buy an accident damaged car?
i've not sold my car because i can afford the maintainance and i love it when it works
A fool and his money are soon parted it would seem. i've not sold my car because i can afford the maintainance and i love it when it works
had a 2004 4.4 for 18months, done 30K miles in it...cheapest car ive had to run in years 
it had a ABS Sensor - £15 + £25 labour at independant
PCV pipe perished causing all sorts of weird errors, £15 part, £40 labour
just had pads n discs all round including handbrake - £550 fitted
other than that just fuel
as usual, with high volume cars, you always get the odd horror story, and if you go back to a £150 ph hour dealer for every minor issue you can soon ring up a big bill !
it had a ABS Sensor - £15 + £25 labour at independant
PCV pipe perished causing all sorts of weird errors, £15 part, £40 labour
just had pads n discs all round including handbrake - £550 fitted
other than that just fuel
as usual, with high volume cars, you always get the odd horror story, and if you go back to a £150 ph hour dealer for every minor issue you can soon ring up a big bill !
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