Encrypted RFID duplicator

[James_B]

My building and the communal garage use HID RFID chips to open the doors.

Now, while I've confidently typed the above, and understand what an RFID chip is doing, I'm actually a bit lost as to how the encryption works.

For reasons it's not worth going into in depth, despite me owning the building, and being the ultimate employer of security, we have a bit of an issue with having new fobs offered, it's two per flat, and in the inconvenient format of a fat credit card sized fob.

The local cobblers cloned my card onto a little generic fob last weekend, at a cost of fifteen pounds for ten seconds work and a 50p blank fob. That was nice, but I'd like to be able to do the same for each of my car keys and bike keys, and preferably without spending fifteen pounds a time.

I bought twenty "HID" fobs off eBay, which look identical, and a 13.56MHz duplicator, but it doesn't seem to want to read my original card or the new fob.


It's one of these,

https://goo.gl/images/P7dmxW

Can anyone let me know if there's a decent guide to what I need to buy and do?

Again, my flat, my garage, my building, so no question of legality or propriety, but rather than arguing, and because I like the idea, I'd like to clone three or for copies the way the cobbler did.

Thanks.

[GrumpyTwig]

13.56mhz is NFC iirc, are you sure that's what the originating card works on?

You need to match the specs of the cards, difficult to say much more without more info on the card itself as RFID is a technology not a single specification.

[James_B]

All I know is that the card has "HID" on it and that the eBay tags look identical to the ones that the cobbler cloned with his machine.

I suppose what I'm asking is which machine will do the same as the one that a high street cobbler has.

[OldGermanHeaps]

There are around 5 different format of hid fob, and you need to use programmable fobs, not new already coded ones.

[ging84]

I would suspect it might be aHITAG transponder
that is what is in a lot of car keys and older generations can now be cloned by highstreet cobblers because the encryption has been broken

[James_B]

I think it's a Paxton Net2 card.

Any thought on what kit I need to clone that? The £10 "HID 13.56Ghz" duplicator won't read them, but clearly something does, as it took the cobbler only seconds to do.

[OldGermanHeaps]

Net2 iirc is 125 khz hitag2, plus its not normal blank cards you need, its programmable blank cards.
Net2 isn't hid though.
Is the reader net2 or hid?
Did you get the wee blue tags? They can be programmed to net2.

Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Wednesday 23 August 20:27

[tonyalcapon]

Hello oldgerman,

when you say Net2 is not hid does it means that it won't be readen by hid readers?

I would like to copy the Net2 fob I have on a smart ring, this is why searching on google brought me here.

do you think I could copy my Net2 fob into a smart ring?

knowing it is encrypted and password protected, would I be able to do such a copy without a password?

I think so, just not sure if Net2 is a HID or not. I know it`s a transponder but could it be read as NFC ?

Thank you.