Help with bay window abomination
Discussion
Hello all, I need some hive mind input on this, I want to do everyting myself which is fine with the exception of there being no builder to ask lol..
I've got my FTB mortgage in progress on an 1890's project semi, and of the rows (pairs of semis) of houses of which there must be 40 odd, having looked at most of them from the road, 95% of them have these weird corner details above the bay roof.
We can't work out if they were all as built, all fixed later on for a fault (collapsed lintel), or something else?
It's render in two triangles about 18" square, and projecting forward slightly at a funny angle..
Looking at the masonry above, supporting the first floor window sill, they mostly seem to be collapsing slowly into the living room below..
Now as an aside from a potential unwanted masonry delivery while watching my favourite SciFi movie, it's clearly absolutely hideous!
Therefore assuming the purchase goes well, and along with sash double glazing, fixing this abomination will be top priority.
So has anyone seen or dealt with similar?
I have in mind the remedy by way of removing the bay roof, acro'ing the masonry above, disassembling the bricks down to top of top of bay height, inserting a modern lintel (green) (what sort tho?), and rebuilding the masonry back up, and rebuilding the bay lid. Thinking a brick brace might be better, but the masonry looks a bit 'flaky' in the vicinity..
Any help or insight would be mucho appreciated!
Beers!
HH
I've got my FTB mortgage in progress on an 1890's project semi, and of the rows (pairs of semis) of houses of which there must be 40 odd, having looked at most of them from the road, 95% of them have these weird corner details above the bay roof.
We can't work out if they were all as built, all fixed later on for a fault (collapsed lintel), or something else?
It's render in two triangles about 18" square, and projecting forward slightly at a funny angle..
Looking at the masonry above, supporting the first floor window sill, they mostly seem to be collapsing slowly into the living room below..
Now as an aside from a potential unwanted masonry delivery while watching my favourite SciFi movie, it's clearly absolutely hideous!
Therefore assuming the purchase goes well, and along with sash double glazing, fixing this abomination will be top priority.
So has anyone seen or dealt with similar?
I have in mind the remedy by way of removing the bay roof, acro'ing the masonry above, disassembling the bricks down to top of top of bay height, inserting a modern lintel (green) (what sort tho?), and rebuilding the masonry back up, and rebuilding the bay lid. Thinking a brick brace might be better, but the masonry looks a bit 'flaky' in the vicinity..
Any help or insight would be mucho appreciated!
Beers!
HH
My bay windows have lead flashing. Yours looks like cheap tin type stuff? Maybe whatever flashing was there had perished and the whole lot got done with that tin stuff?
That said from the first pic it does look like the brickwork above the bay has new mortar so maybe the lintel above the bay had gone and it all had to be rebuilt with a new lintel and at that time the tin stuff was added.
Either way that is a nice looking 19thC house, shame about whoever added the tin stuff.
That said from the first pic it does look like the brickwork above the bay has new mortar so maybe the lintel above the bay had gone and it all had to be rebuilt with a new lintel and at that time the tin stuff was added.
Either way that is a nice looking 19thC house, shame about whoever added the tin stuff.
TBH it’s not the render that catches my eye but tiles and awful full size ridges. If everyone has this type of construction just put it down to being part of the local vernacular. If you want to throw money at I’d suggest replacing the render with lead and have the roof re-done in lead with lead roll hips, assuming you don’t live in scuzzy neighbourhood
I have bought a book on how to 'do' lead roofs now 
Although that is but a minor detail. Looks like the mortgage is going to be a success, so I'm looking to order a load of acros & a catnic..
It needs to look like this one down the road.
NB: if you don't hear from me again it'll be because the front bedroom stoved into the living room and I am no more
Although that is but a minor detail. Looks like the mortgage is going to be a success, so I'm looking to order a load of acros & a catnic..
It needs to look like this one down the road.
NB: if you don't hear from me again it'll be because the front bedroom stoved into the living room and I am no more
Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
I have bought a book on how to 'do' lead roofs now
Although that is but a minor detail. Looks like the mortgage is going to be a success, so I'm looking to order a load of acros & a catnic..
It needs to look like this one down the road.
NB: if you don't hear from me again it'll be because the front bedroom stoved into the living room and I am no more
First you haven't bought the house, so wait until it is yoursAlthough that is but a minor detail. Looks like the mortgage is going to be a success, so I'm looking to order a load of acros & a catnic..
It needs to look like this one down the road.
NB: if you don't hear from me again it'll be because the front bedroom stoved into the living room and I am no more
Second, those triangle look like roof breathers of some sort, not clear from your pictures. Someone has rebuilt it to sort damp in the bay issues.
Third, you will loose a lot of money as no body will pay you a penny extra for this work. Improve your front garden with this money and it will add value to your home
Fourth, forgot to add, if you don't use replacement cavity trays you will have shed loads of water coming into the bay via the cavity (assuming you have a cavity wall)
Edited by DozyGit on Tuesday 8th December 11:34
Looking at the first picture it looks like it's already had some sort of remediation works - the brickwork around the upstairs window looks to have been re-pointed at the very least. Then it looks as though the course of bricks beneath the upstairs window has been changed - there's a band of paler brick in that course along the side of the property and returning around the front, which then stops beneath that window, changing to red brick.
In terms of the bay roof, it might well look odd with a different tile, but you can potentially sort the main roof to match at a later date. What you have at present is pretty ugly with those massive ridge tiles on the bay. I'd be tempted to go with a masonry tile, but you can get ones with a corner profile, meaning you don't need a ridge tile. Assumign you can get one with the right angle/profile that would give a much neater look. The masonry tile would also look less incongruous with the existing roof tiles than a slate tiled bay would.
In terms of the bay roof, it might well look odd with a different tile, but you can potentially sort the main roof to match at a later date. What you have at present is pretty ugly with those massive ridge tiles on the bay. I'd be tempted to go with a masonry tile, but you can get ones with a corner profile, meaning you don't need a ridge tile. Assumign you can get one with the right angle/profile that would give a much neater look. The masonry tile would also look less incongruous with the existing roof tiles than a slate tiled bay would.
Edited by Swervin_Mervin on Tuesday 8th December 11:41
DozyGit said:
First you haven't bought the house, so wait until it is yours
Second, those triangle look like roof breathers of some sort, not clear from your pictures. Someone has rebuilt it to sort damp in the bay issues.
Third, you will loose a lot of money as no body will pay you a penny extra for this work. Improve your front garden with this money and it will add value to your home
Fourth, forgot to add, if you don't use replacement cavity trays you will have shed loads of water coming into the bay via the cavity (assuming you have a cavity wall)
I always live with stuff for a bit, then prioritise. Sometimes you realise you can't live with things you previously thought were OK, and vice versa. Second, those triangle look like roof breathers of some sort, not clear from your pictures. Someone has rebuilt it to sort damp in the bay issues.
Third, you will loose a lot of money as no body will pay you a penny extra for this work. Improve your front garden with this money and it will add value to your home
Fourth, forgot to add, if you don't use replacement cavity trays you will have shed loads of water coming into the bay via the cavity (assuming you have a cavity wall)
Edited by DozyGit on Tuesday 8th December 11:34
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