London ULEZ PCN
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My wife drove my old non-ULEZ complaint BMW from our home in Oxfordshire into central London to attend a gig.
She forgot to pay the ULEZ charge and we received two PCN, one whilst she was driving into the ULEZ and another, just after midnight whilst driving home from the gig.
I made representations to TfL that I felt it was unreasonable to receive two charges as they were demonstrably incurred during the same incursion into the ULEZ. We have tickets, parking receipts to support the vehicle didn’t leave the ULEZ for the period between the two PCN.
Predictably TfL didn’t agree with me.
Does anyone have experience of using the Adjudicator’s service?
She forgot to pay the ULEZ charge and we received two PCN, one whilst she was driving into the ULEZ and another, just after midnight whilst driving home from the gig.
I made representations to TfL that I felt it was unreasonable to receive two charges as they were demonstrably incurred during the same incursion into the ULEZ. We have tickets, parking receipts to support the vehicle didn’t leave the ULEZ for the period between the two PCN.
Predictably TfL didn’t agree with me.
Does anyone have experience of using the Adjudicator’s service?
Unfortunately this is the norm. ULEZ is charged from 00.00 to 23.59 so you will be liable for two sets of charges should you stray over the time limits. Few guys at work who do night shifts have fallen foul of this and they work for a TfL owned company and all protests fell on deaf ears.
Thanks for the replies.
There is a financial incentive for the rules to capture as much revenue as possible.
It could result in someone getting snared at one end of a street at 23:59 and the other at 0001.
I think I’ll put in an appeal to the Adjudicator. If nothing else, £160 will stay in my bank account a little longer.
There is a financial incentive for the rules to capture as much revenue as possible.
It could result in someone getting snared at one end of a street at 23:59 and the other at 0001.
I think I’ll put in an appeal to the Adjudicator. If nothing else, £160 will stay in my bank account a little longer.
Just had all of this. I drove into London to see some mates and went into this ulez area. I recieved a pcn for this.
I challenged it online as my car is a euro 6 petrol.
I recieved a letter this morning saying that they made a decision that my car was exempt and that they were cancelling the fine.
WTF! I do they not check with dvla before wasting peoples time?
I think its incompetence of the highest order
I challenged it online as my car is a euro 6 petrol.
I recieved a letter this morning saying that they made a decision that my car was exempt and that they were cancelling the fine.
WTF! I do they not check with dvla before wasting peoples time?
I think its incompetence of the highest order
king lunatic.ac.cobra said:
They know that your car is exempt, all they are doing is extracting as much money as possible by putting the ball in your court and, if you contest it, then they will cancel it.
It's an automated system and sometimes it's not 100% accurate (remember DVLA are not that good). Most of the time it is correct as the cost of sending out all the letting and correcting is not covered by the fine. UTH said:
megaphone said:
FYI the ULEZ is coming out to cover the whole of London end of next year
Is this actually confirmed? I can't seem to find a definitive answer online. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/air-quality/ulez-...
https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/m...
Edited by megaphone on Monday 16th May 13:27
megaphone said:
UTH said:
megaphone said:
FYI the ULEZ is coming out to cover the whole of London end of next year
Is this actually confirmed? I can't seem to find a definitive answer online. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/air-quality/ulez-...
https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/m...
Edited by megaphone on Monday 16th May 13:27
UTH said:
megaphone said:
UTH said:
megaphone said:
FYI the ULEZ is coming out to cover the whole of London end of next year
Is this actually confirmed? I can't seem to find a definitive answer online. https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/air-quality/ulez-...
https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/m...
Edited by megaphone on Monday 16th May 13:27
austina35 said:
All classics are exempt. Mine certainly is.
If you are referring to people who think there cars from the 90s are a classic, well they aren't and you'll have to pay.
I'm in favour of this ulez. It will get rid of all these old rusty Van's off the road which I welcome
Yes I’m certainly aware mine isn’t a classic. But hopefully a rare Evo 6 isn’t looked down upon in quite the same way as a rusty old van. If you are referring to people who think there cars from the 90s are a classic, well they aren't and you'll have to pay.
I'm in favour of this ulez. It will get rid of all these old rusty Van's off the road which I welcome
austina35 said:
All classics are exempt. Mine certainly is.
If you are referring to people who think there cars from the 90s are a classic, well they aren't and you'll have to pay.
I'm in favour of this ulez. It will get rid of all these old rusty Van's off the road which I welcome
Cars with historic vehicle tax class are exempt, basically anything over 40 years. Plenty of younger 'classic' cars out there, lots of enthusiasts with weekend toys are going to be affected, lots of car clubs will have to rethink. Events at places like the Ace cafe will be affected. If you are referring to people who think there cars from the 90s are a classic, well they aren't and you'll have to pay.
I'm in favour of this ulez. It will get rid of all these old rusty Van's off the road which I welcome
Yes I want to see smokey old vans etc go, but it isn't just smokey old vans that are affected by this. My mate only does a couple of thousand miles a year in his vans, all local work, neither are that old, 2013, neither are rusty old bangers, but he'll have to fork out £15-20K on newer ones. His customers will be paying for them.
Edited by megaphone on Monday 16th May 18:38
After we got out of first lockdown my wife and I decided to head into London for a short trip in my 2012 C200D. We paid congestion charge but didn’t realise about ULEZ, nor did it tell us we had to pay - one needed to tick the box to pay both and it will tell you if you don’t have to pay! Fast forward less than a week and predictably a rather hefty fine appear. OK, it’s valid and we pay.
Move forward again a little later that year and along comes my new, (to me), 2018 C63. First trip to London and we check - yup no ULEZ.
I get that there has to be some sort of rule but my 55mpg diesel burner fails and my 20’ish mpg, (if driving sensibly), V8 can go in and drive around with impunity.
Doesn’t seem quite right.
Move forward again a little later that year and along comes my new, (to me), 2018 C63. First trip to London and we check - yup no ULEZ.
I get that there has to be some sort of rule but my 55mpg diesel burner fails and my 20’ish mpg, (if driving sensibly), V8 can go in and drive around with impunity.
Doesn’t seem quite right.
Soft Top said:
After we got out of first lockdown my wife and I decided to head into London for a short trip in my 2012 C200D. We paid congestion charge but didn’t realise about ULEZ, nor did it tell us we had to pay - one needed to tick the box to pay both and it will tell you if you don’t have to pay! Fast forward less than a week and predictably a rather hefty fine appear. OK, it’s valid and we pay.
Move forward again a little later that year and along comes my new, (to me), 2018 C63. First trip to London and we check - yup no ULEZ.
I get that there has to be some sort of rule but my 55mpg diesel burner fails and my 20’ish mpg, (if driving sensibly), V8 can go in and drive around with impunity.
Doesn’t seem quite right.
I thought the same that my 650bhp Corvette is the only car I own that is ULEZ compliant, but then it's the newest car I own so it's not all about MPG. Move forward again a little later that year and along comes my new, (to me), 2018 C63. First trip to London and we check - yup no ULEZ.
I get that there has to be some sort of rule but my 55mpg diesel burner fails and my 20’ish mpg, (if driving sensibly), V8 can go in and drive around with impunity.
Doesn’t seem quite right.
Soft Top said:
I get that there has to be some sort of rule but my 55mpg diesel burner fails and my 20’ish mpg, (if driving sensibly), V8 can go in and drive around with impunity.
Doesn’t seem quite right.
That is because it's about NOx. The 55mpg diesel burner throws out probably 20x more NOx than the 20mpg V8. Doesn’t seem quite right.
Unlike CO2 which affects Global Warming but isn't a health issue in itself[1] NOx and PM are *actually* harmful and kills an estimated 28k-36k in the UK each year. Those are the pollutants that pre-Euro6 diesels pump out in massive amounts.
[1] Yes, yes, I know that higher concentrations of CO2 can cause irritation, fatigue, anxiety, headaches, dizziness, restlessness, poor cognitive performance, sleep apnea, a tingling or pins or needles feeling, difficulty breathing, sweating, tiredness, increased heart rate, elevated blood pressure, coma, asphyxia, convulsions and emotional responses of fear and panic but that's at far higher levels.
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