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After restoring five Spiders, I am pretty close to finishing my restomod Alfa Spider outlaw with six carb busso V6 and Alfaholics chassis and brakes.
Sound sample from instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUkhAeNIE-8/
Sound sample from instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUkhAeNIE-8/
Edited by Finlandese on Monday 28th March 12:29
Finlandese said:
After restoring five Spiders, I am pretty close to finishing my restomod Alfa Spider outlaw with six carb busso V6 and Alfaholics chassis and brakes.
Sound sample from instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUkhAeNIE-8/
this needs its own thread....Sound sample from instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CUkhAeNIE-8/
Edited by Finlandese on Monday 28th March 12:29
DodgyGeezer said:
this needs its own thread....
Build thread can be found from here: https://www.alfabb.com/threads/outlaw-v6-spider.69...I´ll make a proper video of it next summer. Here´s some exhaust prn..
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
CardinalFang said:
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
I like the way you think! An appropriate and period appropriate engine transplant. A three rotor wankel has been on my mind for a DS at times..True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
CardinalFang said:
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
I'd imagine that (sorry to blaspheme here) an electric DS would be amazing...True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
DodgyGeezer said:
CardinalFang said:
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
I'd imagine that (sorry to blaspheme here) an electric DS would be amazing...True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
Finlandese said:
DodgyGeezer said:
CardinalFang said:
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
I'd imagine that (sorry to blaspheme here) an electric DS would be amazing...True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
Citröen DS.
Daimler Double Six (Series 2).
Facel Vega HK500.
Stick Legs said:
Driving my wife’s EQC I imagine what cars that running gear would be best under.
Citröen DS.
Daimler Double Six (Series 2).
Facel Vega HK500.
Surely the V12 is absolutely central to the Double Six's personality whereas the DS lump just seemed to be something they found lying around having spend all the money of developing all the rest of the car. And I've already said I fancy an electric Jaguar, but not that one please Citröen DS.
Daimler Double Six (Series 2).
Facel Vega HK500.
I'd thought of the DS as being a good candidate for electrifying when it was brought up as a good example for an engine swap.
Finlandese said:
DodgyGeezer said:
CardinalFang said:
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
I'd imagine that (sorry to blaspheme here) an electric DS would be amazing...True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
CardinalFang said:
Citroen DS was meant to have an aircooled flat6, no?
True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
The thing holding back all the wonderful 'what if' engine conversions on DS is the very cramped engine bay (it was indeed designed for a flat-six - they tried both air- and water-cooled units before giving up). Since it was designed for an engine 'three cylinders long', as it were, even many fairly ordinary straight-fours don't fit. The Traction Avant engine they ended up fitting was purpose-designed for front-mid installations and so is peculiarly 'short but tall' for its capacity.True or not, I have a feeling a 964 or 993 lump would be overkill, so how about a late 70's 911 2.7l, (circa 210hp??) with sportmatic to preserve waft. Discreet aircon, hifi, bluetooth. DS23 Pallas, Brun Scarabee, tabac leather & full length sunroof.
Has no one ever done this? Seems like every review praises them to the skies except for the prehistoric power plant.
CF
Which brings us to the main problem - the DS's transmission is closely derived from the 1934-vintage Traction Avant (in the case of IDs, DWs and DSs with manual transmission it's virtually identical) and so simply can't cope with 150-plus horsepower. And there's a serious dearth of cars made since the DS with front-mid engines installed 'backwards' onto a front-wheel drive transaxle with inboard brakes to provide alternative transmission donors. Other transaxle cars are either rear-engined/rear-drive or front-engine/front-drive (with the engine ahead of the axle rather than behind it like on the DS), which in both cases means that everything's backwards for installation in a DS. Because it was always designed to be fitted 'backwards' (timing chain towards the cabin, flywheel to the front) the Traction/DS engine runs in the opposite direction to nearly all other car engines, which also makes things tricky for sourcing alternatives.
None of these are impossible to overcome, just very difficult and expensive. Most of the more interesting 'conversions' inflicted on DSs (Chevy V8s, Subaru boxers etc.) are little more than custom frames and drivetrains clothed in DS body panels - a lot of them don't even have the hydropneumatic suspension.
Electric motor conversions are actually much more straightforward since motors can be easily sourced to run in any direction and you don't need a multi-gear transmission, so you can ditch the innards of the original transaxle and replace them with a single-speed final drive which is rated to cope with the motor's torque. Then you just need a separate motor to drive the HP hydraulic pump and you have a smooth, silent, powerful DS.
CanAm said:
Agree about the engine but it would then of course need a separate hydraulic pump to power the suspension, brakes and steering.
Obviously I hadn't thought this through...at all! Having said that, if the DS lump was originally from the Traction Avant, then someone somewhere had to add the hydraulic capability to that. I could be way off on that though. That aside, in my Euro Lottery fantasy world, it would definitely be on the to-do list. If it couldn't work, then I'm stealing the electric idea.CF
CardinalFang said:
CanAm said:
Agree about the engine but it would then of course need a separate hydraulic pump to power the suspension, brakes and steering.
Obviously I hadn't thought this through...at all! Having said that, if the DS lump was originally from the Traction Avant, then someone somewhere had to add the hydraulic capability to that. I could be way off on that though. That aside, in my Euro Lottery fantasy world, it would definitely be on the to-do list. If it couldn't work, then I'm stealing the electric idea.CF
CardinalFang said:
CanAm said:
Agree about the engine but it would then of course need a separate hydraulic pump to power the suspension, brakes and steering.
Obviously I hadn't thought this through...at all! Having said that, if the DS lump was originally from the Traction Avant, then someone somewhere had to add the hydraulic capability to that. I could be way off on that though. That aside, in my Euro Lottery fantasy world, it would definitely be on the to-do list. If it couldn't work, then I'm stealing the electric idea.CF
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/c...
I always wanted a M3 s65 V8 engine in a BMW Z1, around 2012 I started to collect info and so on, prices then were (lower side) 17k euro for a nice one to use as a base.
then 2015 I finally sold my beloved Hartge Z3 coupe 5,0 to make place for such, but then prices went nuts and the same 17k car was double the price... so to expensive for my project...
So I let it build in a wide body 2.8 Z3, such s65 are great for lighter cars, no drama or to much torque, light and revs to 8.5 k/rpm.
But what I wanted to show, I love the idea of a AMG V8 engine in a old say SL or 190e or so, I've even seen a Lotus Exige with a AMG 6.2 V8 which was nuts! although such AMG V8 has way more torque then say the S65 V8 from the M3, so a bit nuts in a light Lotus, but fun.
anyhow, came across this ad, not cheap but with a AMG V8 under the bonnet, I have not seen it in this model US car hah.
Ford F 100 with E63 AMG Technik Performance.
more>
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...
then 2015 I finally sold my beloved Hartge Z3 coupe 5,0 to make place for such, but then prices went nuts and the same 17k car was double the price... so to expensive for my project...
So I let it build in a wide body 2.8 Z3, such s65 are great for lighter cars, no drama or to much torque, light and revs to 8.5 k/rpm.
But what I wanted to show, I love the idea of a AMG V8 engine in a old say SL or 190e or so, I've even seen a Lotus Exige with a AMG 6.2 V8 which was nuts! although such AMG V8 has way more torque then say the S65 V8 from the M3, so a bit nuts in a light Lotus, but fun.
anyhow, came across this ad, not cheap but with a AMG V8 under the bonnet, I have not seen it in this model US car hah.
Ford F 100 with E63 AMG Technik Performance.
more>
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id...
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