RE: Porsche 911 (993) Turbo | PH Heroes
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T1berious said:
s m said:
Hmmm, I can’t see an S3 or 140i being substantially faster off the mark. Maybe an RS3…..
3.7 seems pretty quick even now
No one is cross shopping a classic Porsche with anything current.3.7 seems pretty quick even now
someone said:
"Why would I buy that when *insert modern car here* is much quicker / faster / safer / etc"
To each their own and all thatBlimeyCharlie said:
Firebobby said:
I know it's just for bar room bragging but why is the 0-60 so slow? A boggo S3 or a 140i will crack that?
Dear, dear me..."Why is an F40 so expensive? It doesn't even have cup holders"
cerb4.5lee said:
s m said:
Firebobby said:
I know it's just for bar room bragging but why is the 0-60 so slow? A boggo S3 or a 140i will crack that?
Hmmm, I can’t see an S3 or 140i being substantially faster off the mark. Maybe an RS3…..3.7 seems pretty quick even now
I still class that as quick now as well as you say.
Yep, this will still feel rapid, that a mapped M140i isnt that far behind, maybe even quicker, or a Tesla will leave it, doesnt matter, that doesnt make these invalid unless you see cars as just numbers.
Slippydiff said:
cerb4.5lee said:
If you want a sense of occasion...can I point you in the direction of a TVR? 
I think you may be confusing occasion and disappointment. I’ve no doubt the Blackpool car provides the latter in spades I do have the occasional wobble where I want another TVR, but then I have to remind myself of the pain/heartache/upset/financial impact/overall disappointment that the Cerbera gave me for definite though.
On the right road and on the right day(when it was working), it was a very special thing to drive though I thought.
J4CKO said:
cerb4.5lee said:
s m said:
Firebobby said:
I know it's just for bar room bragging but why is the 0-60 so slow? A boggo S3 or a 140i will crack that?
Hmmm, I can’t see an S3 or 140i being substantially faster off the mark. Maybe an RS3…..3.7 seems pretty quick even now
I still class that as quick now as well as you say.
Yep, this will still feel rapid, that a mapped M140i isnt that far behind, maybe even quicker, or a Tesla will leave it, doesnt matter, that doesnt make these invalid unless you see cars as just numbers.
s m said:
Hmmm, I can’t see an S3 or 140i being substantially faster off the mark. Maybe an RS3…..
3.7 seems pretty quick even now
I've owned 2 x 993 turbos and 2 x 996 turbos, amongst 11 x 911s in total (so far) so maybe I'm reasonably well placed to make some comments.3.7 seems pretty quick even now
The Autocar figures are similar to those from real world testing by Car magazine in period who had the 993 turbo 0-60 at 3.8seconds. In those days, the horsepower was on between the German manuafcturers and most quick cars were limited to 155mph. Porsche didn't want involved in the marketing race an so systematically under-played 0-60 times, BHP and Torque outputs and kept their cars unlimited. Per personal experience of these cars is that the 993 turbo is below 4 seconds and in a straight line, as quick as a 996 turbo. The 996 is quicker round the bends as the newer set-up, weight distribution and so on make is easier to drive quickly.
Both are great cars but the 993 is special. It's got the thing that you can't put your finger on that makes it valuable. The 996 is better for daily use, probably quicker for all but the best drivers and conditions, cool and comfortable. But it's not as special. And that is why it is no where near as valuable and never will be.
Lastly, my 993s where arena red then midnight blue. I'd never have a guards red one. Even Michael Jordan got rid of his guards red one.
athol said:
The 996 is better for daily use, probably quicker for all but the best drivers and conditions, cool and comfortable. But it's not as special. And that is why it is no where near as valuable and never will be.
Interesting to read your experiences and observations.I don't think anyone is suggesting that a 996 Turbo should be on Autotrader for £160k like 993 Turbos are.
I think we can all agree that £25k-£30k for a 996 Turbo, however, is really cheap. And the only reason for this is because the lights are the wrong shape.
Hoofy said:
athol said:
The 996 is better for daily use, probably quicker for all but the best drivers and conditions, cool and comfortable. But it's not as special. And that is why it is no where near as valuable and never will be.
Interesting to read your experiences and observations.I don't think anyone is suggesting that a 996 Turbo should be on Autotrader for £160k like 993 Turbos are.
I think we can all agree that £25k-£30k for a 996 Turbo, however, is really cheap. And the only reason for this is because the lights are the wrong shape.
Caddyshack said:
Can you still get a decent 996 Turbo for 25-30k, I know that they did get down to that but I thought mid 40 to 50+ was entry for a right hand manual now?
You could possibly find one, but it wouldn’t be a decent example, and you could easily chuck £20+ k getting it up to scratch.They’re available “cheaply” because they produced lots of them, they fell into the wrong hands, suffered from deferred servicing and abuse, and cost a lot to fix.
The reality is, the older car is nicer to look at (if that’s your thing) and with the X50 kit they are still quick, but I’ve never been overly impressed with their handling.
The 996 with its suspension in rude health and set up with a good geo and decent tyres, is a formidable all-weather, cross-country and autobahn storming tool, and with a decent remap and exhaust, even moreso.
The last word in tactility ? No, but still a very fine car.
Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 3rd August 10:49
Caddyshack said:
Hoofy said:
athol said:
The 996 is better for daily use, probably quicker for all but the best drivers and conditions, cool and comfortable. But it's not as special. And that is why it is no where near as valuable and never will be.
Interesting to read your experiences and observations.I don't think anyone is suggesting that a 996 Turbo should be on Autotrader for £160k like 993 Turbos are.
I think we can all agree that £25k-£30k for a 996 Turbo, however, is really cheap. And the only reason for this is because the lights are the wrong shape.
Hoofy said:
...I think we can all agree that £25k-£30k for a 996 Turbo, however, is really cheap. And the only reason for this is because the lights are the wrong shape.
I wish GT1's were cheap because the headlights are the wrong shape!
I am in the minority but I prefer the 996's single-unit front lights. Having headlights and then an additional light cluster down in the bumper doesn't look as clean to my eyes.
Hoofy said:
Caddyshack said:
Hoofy said:
athol said:
The 996 is better for daily use, probably quicker for all but the best drivers and conditions, cool and comfortable. But it's not as special. And that is why it is no where near as valuable and never will be.
Interesting to read your experiences and observations.I don't think anyone is suggesting that a 996 Turbo should be on Autotrader for £160k like 993 Turbos are.
I think we can all agree that £25k-£30k for a 996 Turbo, however, is really cheap. And the only reason for this is because the lights are the wrong shape.
Hereward said:
Hoofy said:
...I think we can all agree that £25k-£30k for a 996 Turbo, however, is really cheap. And the only reason for this is because the lights are the wrong shape.
I wish GT1's were cheap because the headlights are the wrong shape!If Khalid Abdul Rahim ever sells the 1 of 1 993 headlight Strassenversion, you'll need deeper pockets!
ps Look up Khalid's car collection, it's beyond crazy
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