Major incident at Salisbury District Hospital

[otolith]

AreOut said:

otolith said:

That’s somewhat misleading, in that by and large chemical weapons were not used in WWII, and though the Nazis stockpiled nerve agents they did not deploy them.

well, Hitler used one..on himself

Eva Braun took cyanide (not a nerve agent). Hitler shot himself.

[AreOut]

thx I forgot the details

[wisbech]

So why does that make it ok for them to poison emigres in Salisbury?

[crosseyedlion]

wisbech said:

So why does that make it ok for them to poison emigres in Salisbury?

Allegedly.

[Escapegoat]

anonymous said:

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Nothing to do with the Salisbury event, but even your correspondent thinks that this poisoining was by the Russian state.

And his expert opinion is that this does NOT signal a return to the hostilities of the cold war: http://www.texasstandard.org/stories/u-s-and-u-k-r...

So you and cardiganboy need not do the "Chicken Little" thing quite so much.

[Oakey]

So you don't believe that the Ukraine should be allowed to align themselves with whoever they want in case it upsets their neighbours?

[Ayahuasca]

Anyone not convinced of the deviousness of the Russian regime and the lengths it goes to to pursue its interests should watch the oscar-winning docu 'Icarus' on Netflix. About sports doping.

Cheating the Olympics is not proof of poisoning people, but it illustrates the character and duplicity of the regime.

[wisbech]

anonymous said:

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Easily. Assumptions don’t need proof, just balance of probabilities. I’m not trying to build a case for the CPS

Do I trust our leaders? Up to a point. But I trust them much more than I trust the Kremlin, because at the end of the day I think our leaders are decent people at heart, labour or conservative, whereas I think the current incumbents of the Kremlin are murderous, corrupt and amoral.

[crosseyedlion]

Ayahuasca said:

Anyone not convinced of the deviousness of the Russian regime and the lengths it goes to to pursue its interests should watch the oscar-winning docu 'Icarus' on Netflix. About sports doping.

Cheating the Olympics is not proof of poisoning people, but it illustrates the character and duplicity of the regime.

The point which has been made about the poisoning. Don't you wonder whether the whole doping scandal was genuine or a fabrication? It wouldn't be the first time in history a public's viewpoint was adjusted/encouraged on purpose by state/other actors. (and i'm not just talking about Iraq)

I'm not saying I disbelieve the doping, I'm just more sceptical the more these things that dominate the media seem to lead towards a planned eventual outcome. They all fit the same narrative.

We never seem to look at how our actions could be viewed overseas. The lead up to the 1st and 2nd world wars (and how so much public support was generated by the aggressors.) These are things that are deeply important to understand and remember, yet seem taboo.

Edited by crosseyedlion on Monday 19th March 11:43

[otolith]

Just out of interest, what should May have said and done?

[Ayahuasca]

crosseyedlion said:

Ayahuasca said:

Anyone not convinced of the deviousness of the Russian regime and the lengths it goes to to pursue its interests should watch the oscar-winning docu 'Icarus' on Netflix. About sports doping.

Cheating the Olympics is not proof of poisoning people, but it illustrates the character and duplicity of the regime.

The point which has been made about the poisoning. Don't you wonder whether the whole doping scandal was genuine or a fabrication? It wouldn't be the first time in history a public's viewpoint was adjusted/encouraged on purpose by state actors. (and i'm not just talking about Iraq)

I'm not saying I disbelieve the doping, I'm just more sceptical the more these things that dominate the media seem to lead towards a planned eventual outcome. They all fit the same narrative.

We never seem to look at how our actions could be viewed overseas. The lead up to the 1st and 2nd world wars (and how so much public support was generated by the aggressors.) These are things that are deeply important to understand and remember, yet seem taboo.

Give your head a wobble, son. What reason could there be for pretending to have institutional doping and allowing yourself to be found out?

[Wills2]

anonymous said:

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But you need to understand the difference between a state rigged election and individual voter fraud, one is a criminal act like any other and that happens anywhere the other is the state fixing the election from the get go, there is a huge difference.

As for media bias, I'm free to watch and read what I want RT/Fox/BBC/Sky/ITV or the Mail/Telegraph/Socialist worker/Guardian/Times etc.......all offering differing views and covering events in differing ways, I can choose to decide what I believe and act accordingly.

You cannot compare the UK's democracy to Russia's on any level and think they have a fair and balanced system.

[rival38]

https://twitter.com/fcsm7733/status/97531384856252...

Bad Bad Russians - guilty as charged !

[wisbech]

anonymous said:

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That’s odd. People I hear from outside the UK are saying that they are glad the UK is doing this. Maybe my people and your people should get together and compare notes?

One from Russia itself said hopefully we will crank up the sanctions on Putin’s inner circle of kleptobarons

[PRTVR]

anonymous said:

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Russia is never going to admit to it so you have to go on probability there is enough to point the finger , Putin said he was going to do it, it is a weapon that originated in Russia, there is historic data of state assassinations from Russia, or it was suicide, probability, I will go with Russian involvement.
Ask you friend how she would feel if a nerve agent was used in one of her cities.

[gooner1]

anonymous said:

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Good, anything that inspires ordinary Russians to look
inwards is a good thing.
And I say that as a person with an open mind on this whole subject.

[wisbech]

PS - decent chance the Russian girl online is actually a Nigerian 419 love scammer. Has he asked you for money for a hospital bill for his sick grandmother yet?

[Ultra Sound Guy]

wisbech said:

anonymous said:

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That’s odd. People I hear from outside the UK are saying that they are glad the UK is doing this. Maybe my people and your people should get together and compare notes?

One from Russia itself said hopefully we will crank up the sanctions on Putin’s inner circle of kleptobarons

I was in Saint Petersburg last week.
NONE of the Russian people I spoke to had lost any sleep over our allegations!
NONE of them thought that this was propaganda generated by the West!
ALL of them assumed that Russia HAD carried out a sanctioned attack!
NONE of them believe what their government tells them!

This was a mixture of colleagues known to me for 10 years and random people wanting to practice their English at the bar!

[llewop]

anonymous said:

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you need to try harder to get to the origin of the Ukraine problem - a few examples....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Chernobyl - a Russian reactor and accident; where Russia are far from the largest contribution to the improvement/recovery programmes.

or even back to the original 'Russia'.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

and numerous bullying attempts to control/influence Ukraine's policies and economy.

Russia, or at least those in control in Russia, does not want Ukraine to be truly 'independent' but to be beholden to them rather than looking elsewhere.

BTW - I think you have commented you've never lived in Russia, nor have I, although I have visited. I have however lived in Ukraine for 4 years, so perhaps my sympathies lie in a different direction!

[hyphen]

wisbech said:

PS - decent chance the Russian girl online is actually a Nigerian 419 love scammer. Has he asked you for money for a hospital bill for his sick grandmother yet?