Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
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Cold

16,299 posts

110 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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(Just didn't want to be left out)

N111BJG

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83 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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After all that I feel I might be safer there

PS Never I've watched Star Wars & I am old enough to have seen it right from the beginning.
Think its because I thought I'd missed the first three so there was no point starting part way through

Clockwork Cupcake

78,777 posts

292 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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N111BJG said:
After all that I feel I might be safer there

PS Never I've watched Star Wars & I am old enough to have seen it right from the beginning.
Think its because I thought I'd missed the first three so there was no point starting part way through
The first film wasn't called "Episode IV" until later. nerd

Also, films with multiple sequels were far less of a thing back in 1977


Doofus

32,319 posts

193 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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Halmyre

12,180 posts

159 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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N111BJG said:
After all that I feel I might be safer there

PS Never I've watched Star Wars & I am old enough to have seen it right from the beginning.
Think its because I thought I'd missed the first three so there was no point starting part way through
You can watch the original Star Wars as a standalone, or watch Empire and Jedi as well.

Thereafter it's the law of diminishing returns.

Clockwork Cupcake

78,777 posts

292 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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Halmyre said:
You can watch the original Star Wars as a standalone, or watch Empire and Jedi as well.

Thereafter it's the law of diminishing returns.
Indeed. yes

audi321

5,808 posts

233 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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Why don't (can't) cheap car manufactures make a good looking car. I mean Porsche/Ferrari etc can't be the only manufactures with good designers and yeah I'm sure it costs a little more to physically make a car which looks good, but surely not 10 times the cost?

Ok, leave the engine out of the equation, as not everyone wants to go 200mph, but the aesthetics must be achievable on a budget?

captain_cynic

15,998 posts

115 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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audi321 said:
Why don't (can't) cheap car manufactures make a good looking car. I mean Porsche/Ferrari etc can't be the only manufactures with good designers and yeah I'm sure it costs a little more to physically make a car which looks good, but surely not 10 times the cost?

Ok, leave the engine out of the equation, as not everyone wants to go 200mph, but the aesthetics must be achievable on a budget?
Because good looking cars are horribly impractical. I speak from experience having owned a few horribly impractical by very pretty cars.

What's the storage capacity of a Fezza compared to a Dacia? Back seats?

A sports/super/hyper car tends to be designed for aero over other concerns, the faster you go the more a shape is defined by the need to be as slippery as possible. This also happens to be appealing to the eye.

A cheap hatch is designed to be as cheap as possible to manufacture. This means aero and shape are barely even secondary concerns.

Form often follows function. A sports car looks fast because it's designed to be fast. A pickup looks utilitarian because it's designed to be that way. So on and so forth.

beagrizzly

11,113 posts

251 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
The first film wasn't called "Episode IV" until later. nerd
Really? I thought it always said 'Episode IV: A New Hope' in the rolling text intro thing at the start?


48k

15,840 posts

168 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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audi321 said:
I mean Porsche/Ferrari etc can't be the only manufactures with good designers
Porsche has good designers? I thought it was just a bloke who knew how to copy and paste?

AstonZagato

13,565 posts

230 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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beagrizzly said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The first film wasn't called "Episode IV" until later. nerd
Really? I thought it always said 'Episode IV: A New Hope' in the rolling text intro thing at the start?
Released: 1977

Remastered and renamed (and the titles altered): April 1981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changes_in_Star_Wars...

AstonZagato

13,565 posts

230 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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audi321 said:
Why don't (can't) cheap car manufactures make a good looking car. I mean Porsche/Ferrari etc can't be the only manufactures with good designers and yeah I'm sure it costs a little more to physically make a car which looks good, but surely not 10 times the cost?

Ok, leave the engine out of the equation, as not everyone wants to go 200mph, but the aesthetics must be achievable on a budget?
Lotus Emira? Looks of a Ferrari/McLaren for a third of the price

audi321

5,808 posts

233 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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AstonZagato said:
Lotus Emira? Looks of a Ferrari/McLaren for a third of the price
You’re not wrong there! Amazing looking car!!

stemll

4,954 posts

220 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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AstonZagato said:
beagrizzly said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The first film wasn't called "Episode IV" until later. nerd
Really? I thought it always said 'Episode IV: A New Hope' in the rolling text intro thing at the start?
Released: 1977

Remastered and renamed (and the titles altered): April 1981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changes_in_Star_Wars...

captain_cynic

15,998 posts

115 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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audi321 said:
AstonZagato said:
Lotus Emira? Looks of a Ferrari/McLaren for a third of the price
You’re not wrong there! Amazing looking car!!
Still not exactly cheap at £81K

Cracking looking car though.

I'm not sure we'll find much that we'd define as "stunning" under £20K... Though I'll say that looks can be quite subjective.

Clockwork Cupcake

78,777 posts

292 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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captain_cynic said:
I'm not sure we'll find much that we'd define as "stunning" under £20K... Though I'll say that looks can be quite subjective.
Not under £20k, I know, nor "stunning" as such, but the GR Yaris looks purposeful and very much the homologation special that it is.

Fermit

13,240 posts

120 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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audi321 said:
Why don't (can't) cheap car manufactures make a good looking car. I mean Porsche/Ferrari etc can't be the only manufactures with good designers and yeah I'm sure it costs a little more to physically make a car which looks good, but surely not 10 times the cost?

Ok, leave the engine out of the equation, as not everyone wants to go 200mph, but the aesthetics must be achievable on a budget?
For £25Kish starting price. Slightly gopping gob aside, I'd say the MX5 meets the criteria?


StevieBee

14,610 posts

275 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
captain_cynic said:
I'm not sure we'll find much that we'd define as "stunning" under £20K... Though I'll say that looks can be quite subjective.
Not under £20k, I know, nor "stunning" as such, but the GR Yaris looks purposeful and very much the homologation special that it is.
Design is indeed subjective but being as objective as I can, I'd say there's been plenty of vey well designed, decent looking 'normal cars'.

I quite liked the original 'teapot' Ford Ka. The Fiat 500 works well. The Beetle, as well. Going back a bit, the Mazda RX8 was unique and had looks that punched above its weight.

I think the cleverest of all is the Mini. The original Mini was the first true 'classless' car in that you'd see a council estate Mum driving one as you would a Lady of the Manor. The new one is clearly a homage to the original and retains that multi-class appeal. That's quite a difficult thing to achieve and is rooted in the design more than the marketing.


Sway

33,077 posts

214 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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Thing is, "stunning" gets diluted by familiarity. When first released, the jelly mold Sierra or original Bangle Z4 were stunning. After a couple of years of seeing them pretty much on a daily basis, they become fairly humdrum.

beagrizzly

11,113 posts

251 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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stemll said:
AstonZagato said:
beagrizzly said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The first film wasn't called "Episode IV" until later. nerd
Really? I thought it always said 'Episode IV: A New Hope' in the rolling text intro thing at the start?
Released: 1977

Remastered and renamed (and the titles altered): April 1981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changes_in_Star_Wars...
Well I never!

I did see it at the cinema, but I was only 4 so barely remember it. Thereafter I would have seen it on TV / Betamax / VHS / DVD so I guess they were all post-alteration, so it's always been there in my memory.

Thanks.
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