Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)
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Too much unnecessary comedy such as the "on hold" nonsense near the start, and the "do you think you got him?" line.
Random mechanic sitting there crying and all of a sudden becomes a major character with incredible space knowledge and skills.
Didn't understand why Leia's Useless Deputy took so long to hyperspace jump through the big Star Destroyer or whatever it was. Why did she wait while they picked off most of the transports one by one. And for that matter why did they take so long to hit all the transports (one by one). Surely with their advanced weaponry they could just take them all out in seconds. But then I guess their weaponry wasn't that great actually, since they totally failed to prevent Leia's Useless Deputy from pulling that manoeuvre through their ship.
Made no sense that the bad guys immediately brought that massive battering cannon thing down to the salt planet surface, but delivered it so far away from the mine steel door that Finn and co had to take lengthy flights in those rustbuckets to get to the battle line. But then two minutes later and Ghost Luke was able to just saunter out on foot to meet Ren.
The picture was really really dark where I saw it, almost unwatchable enough to walk out and ask for my money back, but by the time I'd decided to do that it was about 15 minutes in and I didn't fancy sitting through the same 15 minutes again somewhere else, so I decided to just put up with it. Odeon, you need to replace your projector lamps sooner!
Random mechanic sitting there crying and all of a sudden becomes a major character with incredible space knowledge and skills.
Didn't understand why Leia's Useless Deputy took so long to hyperspace jump through the big Star Destroyer or whatever it was. Why did she wait while they picked off most of the transports one by one. And for that matter why did they take so long to hit all the transports (one by one). Surely with their advanced weaponry they could just take them all out in seconds. But then I guess their weaponry wasn't that great actually, since they totally failed to prevent Leia's Useless Deputy from pulling that manoeuvre through their ship.
Made no sense that the bad guys immediately brought that massive battering cannon thing down to the salt planet surface, but delivered it so far away from the mine steel door that Finn and co had to take lengthy flights in those rustbuckets to get to the battle line. But then two minutes later and Ghost Luke was able to just saunter out on foot to meet Ren.
The picture was really really dark where I saw it, almost unwatchable enough to walk out and ask for my money back, but by the time I'd decided to do that it was about 15 minutes in and I didn't fancy sitting through the same 15 minutes again somewhere else, so I decided to just put up with it. Odeon, you need to replace your projector lamps sooner!
Just got back from seeing it and have to agree with a lot of what's been said already.
The Rebels did actually beat the Empire right? And yet just a scant 30 years on, the First Order are back, bigger and stronger than ever and the rebels are down to a few ships and a few hundred people? Talk about completely wiping out all the struggle the hero's went through in the OT. A very sloppy way to reboot the franchise, nothing more.
The rebel ships running away slowly being chased by the First Order for what felt like an eternity...yawn. Oh but the hero's can zip about at will on pointless missions. Really that's the best plot they could come up with?
Too many beats copied from Empire, it's said imitation is the best form of flattery but this is the second film in the new trilogy that has stuck far too closely to the plots from the OT, really no new ideas Disney?
Leia's resurrection, yeah it was pants.
Daisy was decent enough, seems to have put on a few pounds though.
Fynn who was a standout in the first was pretty average in this.
The forced humour, really why?
Poe whose piloting skills would easily put Luke's, Anakin's and Han's flying to shame and who can take on a Star Destroyer by himself decides to turn back against a handful of AT-AT's at the last minute.
Sagging middle and 30 minutes too long.
I thought Luke's last minute intervention would kick it up a notch but it all turned out to be a big sleight of hand and then he just inexplicably disappears in a puff. Sorry just not very satisfying
Snopes taken out like a b
h, no idea who he was.
Kylo Ren still too much whiney Emo and not enough Darth. I know he has VERY big boots to fill but he just doesn't project a 10th of the menace that Vader did.
Really not getting where all the positive reviews are coming from. Yes it had some good bits but far too much filler, pointless detours and weird plot points. As a big Star Wars fan and with the best will in the world, I can only give it a 6/10. Makes TFA look like a veritable masterpiece.
The Rebels did actually beat the Empire right? And yet just a scant 30 years on, the First Order are back, bigger and stronger than ever and the rebels are down to a few ships and a few hundred people? Talk about completely wiping out all the struggle the hero's went through in the OT. A very sloppy way to reboot the franchise, nothing more.
The rebel ships running away slowly being chased by the First Order for what felt like an eternity...yawn. Oh but the hero's can zip about at will on pointless missions. Really that's the best plot they could come up with?
Too many beats copied from Empire, it's said imitation is the best form of flattery but this is the second film in the new trilogy that has stuck far too closely to the plots from the OT, really no new ideas Disney?
Leia's resurrection, yeah it was pants.
Daisy was decent enough, seems to have put on a few pounds though.
Fynn who was a standout in the first was pretty average in this.
The forced humour, really why?
Poe whose piloting skills would easily put Luke's, Anakin's and Han's flying to shame and who can take on a Star Destroyer by himself decides to turn back against a handful of AT-AT's at the last minute.
Sagging middle and 30 minutes too long.
I thought Luke's last minute intervention would kick it up a notch but it all turned out to be a big sleight of hand and then he just inexplicably disappears in a puff. Sorry just not very satisfying
Snopes taken out like a b
h, no idea who he was.Kylo Ren still too much whiney Emo and not enough Darth. I know he has VERY big boots to fill but he just doesn't project a 10th of the menace that Vader did.
Really not getting where all the positive reviews are coming from. Yes it had some good bits but far too much filler, pointless detours and weird plot points. As a big Star Wars fan and with the best will in the world, I can only give it a 6/10. Makes TFA look like a veritable masterpiece.
I saw it yesterday and wanted to sleep on it before fully making up my mind.
I can't help but feel it's very much a wasted opportunity on many levels.
Wasted heroes, wasted villains.
The real crime though is where does the story go from here?
Ben Solo can't be the main antagonist moving forward. There is too much conflict setup in the character. So who is going to be the big baddie?
The trilogy finishing with Rey and Ben hugging it out isn't going to cut it.
I'm wondering if Snoke won't make a comeback Darth Maul style.
Finally a serious question: how did the whole casino plant thing make it past the first draft?
The whole thing would have been much better if Rose (I think that was her name) had simply said "I can break that code" and then off they go. Saving 30 minutes of pointlessness that will just be skipped on future DVD viewings.
I can't help but feel it's very much a wasted opportunity on many levels.
Wasted heroes, wasted villains.
The real crime though is where does the story go from here?
Ben Solo can't be the main antagonist moving forward. There is too much conflict setup in the character. So who is going to be the big baddie?
The trilogy finishing with Rey and Ben hugging it out isn't going to cut it.
I'm wondering if Snoke won't make a comeback Darth Maul style.
Finally a serious question: how did the whole casino plant thing make it past the first draft?
The whole thing would have been much better if Rose (I think that was her name) had simply said "I can break that code" and then off they go. Saving 30 minutes of pointlessness that will just be skipped on future DVD viewings.
Guvernator said:
Really not getting where all the positive reviews are coming from. Yes it had some good bits but far too much filler, pointless detours and weird plot points. As a big Star Wars fan and with the best will in the world, I can only give it a 6/10. Makes TFA look like a veritable masterpiece.
Is that a rhetorical question? Sample "fan" review: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/14/star-...
Can't counter the criticism, attack the person instead: https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-fans-are-why-ive...
Even ignoring all the changes to previous characters, how the force is used, there are such basic holes in the film, use of 5 deus ex machina, a blatant Mary Sue as the main character, a ~30 minute sub plot that went nowhere and could have been addressed in one single shot, ignoring the build up for the backstory for two characters with some hand waving, general pacing issues, an over reliance on big set pieces to cover up the lack of plot, this is at best average film for a causal film fan with only a passing interest in Star Wars.
I went last night with high hopes, after all the positive reviews in the press I expected this to be the Empire Strikes Back of the new trilogy, sadly it was more Phantom Menace! Come back George Lucas, all is forgiven!
The humor was misplaced, the sorry dragged, and it had one of the most boring spaceship battles ever committed to screen!
I echo what others have said about it being way too dark, some scenes were literally like watching a black screen, it felt like I was watching the whole thing wearing sunglasses!
The humor was misplaced, the sorry dragged, and it had one of the most boring spaceship battles ever committed to screen!
I echo what others have said about it being way too dark, some scenes were literally like watching a black screen, it felt like I was watching the whole thing wearing sunglasses!
I was thinking about the light sabers.
There was a bit where the penguins were playing and you you cringe at the possibilities. Obviously a foreshadowing.
But at that moment I was thinking, don't they have a safety catch that means they won't extend if 'blocked' I can imagine how many training accidents would be avoided with such a simple device.
Of course that made me think about how a lightsaber works and I'm not that geeky.
There was a bit where the penguins were playing and you you cringe at the possibilities. Obviously a foreshadowing.
But at that moment I was thinking, don't they have a safety catch that means they won't extend if 'blocked' I can imagine how many training accidents would be avoided with such a simple device.
Of course that made me think about how a lightsaber works and I'm not that geeky.
robemcdonald said:
Finally a serious question: how did the whole casino plant thing make it past the first draft?
It included a 'bar scene' where they can wheel out some suitably star-wars-y bar music and a number of slightly weird looking characters (Justin Theroux, Lily Cole), etc. It worked in the force awakens (just), but was just padding in the last jedi.Arklight said:
Guvernator said:
Daisy was decent enough, seems to have put on a few pounds though.
I'm sure she'll rush down the gym just for a catch like you 
I missed the anti-gravity bombs, but I did note any ship hit/destroyed would 'fall'.
I think I've watched too many "Everything wrong with...." videos on youtube.
The age old space can land anywhere but in all cases lands somewhere requiring the squad on board to walk/fly/drive many miles to get to their actual destination... WHY?!
Just land right next to the bloody base or whatever!
I think I've watched too many "Everything wrong with...." videos on youtube.
The age old space can land anywhere but in all cases lands somewhere requiring the squad on board to walk/fly/drive many miles to get to their actual destination... WHY?!
Just land right next to the bloody base or whatever!
Saw it last night, agree with what has already been said, thought it was very Apocalypse Now with the At-At's in the sun, that will make an amazing desktop picture, Leia's superwoman bit was awful.
Some of the set pieces were fantastic, but I did not come away from the film thinking wow.
Part of the problem is that 4, 5 & 6 cover a lot of plot avenues and all the sequels / prequels are re-hashing things.
Ageed with 6/10 - average - could do better.
Some of the set pieces were fantastic, but I did not come away from the film thinking wow.
Part of the problem is that 4, 5 & 6 cover a lot of plot avenues and all the sequels / prequels are re-hashing things.
Ageed with 6/10 - average - could do better.
I think there were a load of things that were introduced into TFA that were totally underused or even forgotten, Snoke being the main item
Just spitballing but Reys parents, heavily hinted at being some kind of interesting plot but totally not used. A clever writer would have recognised how much internet chatter there was and created something cool. They didnt have the obi-wan and yoda but still....
There was lots of chatter about Luke having a red kyber crystal and being a grey jedi. I lost all hope the moment he threw the lightsaber over his shoulder. I regained a bit when he met Kylo because he had the lightsaber that had just been destroyed..... which is the same design as Darth Vaders..... surely it can't be? Did he keep it after he escaped the death star? No
The calling of the lightsaber and the visions..... brilliant idea of the lightsaber choosing the wizard but meh well juat ignore all that
Rey was far too physically big in this film (So was Kylo tbh) but Rey was huge. I remember seeing her working out during behind the scenes stuff but crikwy
Yoda was so ste. Why not be more adventurous. Use obi-wan and anakin. Maybe let Kylo see Vader.
I also get the feeling that luke died bevause he didn't want to be in the next film. He has always expressed he didnt like the direction taken with him in this film.
With the huge moneys spent I wonder if the question was asked to move leia onto the kamakazi mission after her death. Would have wrapped up her character well after carrie fishers death.
I honestly can't see why the critics love it. It reminds me if the latest Ferrari review if I'm honest. The f12 was the best thing ever but now the super fast is out theres talk of poor steering etc. Everybody rushed out the cinema and they all just seem keen to see daylight.
Just spitballing but Reys parents, heavily hinted at being some kind of interesting plot but totally not used. A clever writer would have recognised how much internet chatter there was and created something cool. They didnt have the obi-wan and yoda but still....
There was lots of chatter about Luke having a red kyber crystal and being a grey jedi. I lost all hope the moment he threw the lightsaber over his shoulder. I regained a bit when he met Kylo because he had the lightsaber that had just been destroyed..... which is the same design as Darth Vaders..... surely it can't be? Did he keep it after he escaped the death star? No
The calling of the lightsaber and the visions..... brilliant idea of the lightsaber choosing the wizard but meh well juat ignore all that
Rey was far too physically big in this film (So was Kylo tbh) but Rey was huge. I remember seeing her working out during behind the scenes stuff but crikwy
Yoda was so s
te. Why not be more adventurous. Use obi-wan and anakin. Maybe let Kylo see Vader. I also get the feeling that luke died bevause he didn't want to be in the next film. He has always expressed he didnt like the direction taken with him in this film.
With the huge moneys spent I wonder if the question was asked to move leia onto the kamakazi mission after her death. Would have wrapped up her character well after carrie fishers death.
I honestly can't see why the critics love it. It reminds me if the latest Ferrari review if I'm honest. The f12 was the best thing ever but now the super fast is out theres talk of poor steering etc. Everybody rushed out the cinema and they all just seem keen to see daylight.
Bullett said:
I was thinking about the light sabers.
There was a bit where the penguins were playing and you you cringe at the possibilities. Obviously a foreshadowing.
But at that moment I was thinking, don't they have a safety catch that means they won't extend if 'blocked' I can imagine how many training accidents would be avoided with such a simple device.
Of course that made me think about how a lightsaber works and I'm not that geeky.
Kyber crystals!.There was a bit where the penguins were playing and you you cringe at the possibilities. Obviously a foreshadowing.
But at that moment I was thinking, don't they have a safety catch that means they won't extend if 'blocked' I can imagine how many training accidents would be avoided with such a simple device.
Of course that made me think about how a lightsaber works and I'm not that geeky.
Having thought about it a bit more today I'm afraid it's going downhill. Yes it's Star Wars and certain bits of it had me giddy as a schoolgirl BUT the plot really was very poor.
Ships that run out of "fuel". Since when has that been a thing in Star Wars?
The Rebel ships are too fast to catch but not fast enough to completely get away, how does that even work? So what we end up with is a ridiculous and boring 3 hour "chase" except our heroes can flit on and off at will to go mess about with horses at a casino, oh and the whole reason they were there in the first place becomes totally irrelevant about 30 mins later.
Poe's "mutiny"
Leia Poppins
Snope, why was he even in it?
Emo Ren is now the main villain
General Hux, trained at the Dick Dasterdly school of villainy, woefully inept and the butt of jokes now.
Luke as a disillusioned old bum, it's a trope we've all seen before with the payoff usually being that at some point they usually snap out of their grump and do something bad-ass, except they couldn't even do that right. His misdirection saves a handful of rebels and then he disappears (up his own arse probably)
I keep reading that the director was given carte blanche to try something new, out with the old, in with the new.....except it isn't really, it's a bad rip off of ESB, they've killed off almost all the old likeable characters and left us with 1 or 2 possibly decent ones and a whole load of annoying ones. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater springs to mind.
I have no idea what they will do with episode 9 now and pretty much don't really care at this point, all the mystery and goodwill they'd built in TFA is pretty much gone. I really should have known Disney would fk this up.
Ships that run out of "fuel". Since when has that been a thing in Star Wars?
The Rebel ships are too fast to catch but not fast enough to completely get away, how does that even work? So what we end up with is a ridiculous and boring 3 hour "chase" except our heroes can flit on and off at will to go mess about with horses at a casino, oh and the whole reason they were there in the first place becomes totally irrelevant about 30 mins later.
Poe's "mutiny"
Leia Poppins
Snope, why was he even in it?
Emo Ren is now the main villain
General Hux, trained at the Dick Dasterdly school of villainy, woefully inept and the butt of jokes now.
Luke as a disillusioned old bum, it's a trope we've all seen before with the payoff usually being that at some point they usually snap out of their grump and do something bad-ass, except they couldn't even do that right. His misdirection saves a handful of rebels and then he disappears (up his own arse probably)
I keep reading that the director was given carte blanche to try something new, out with the old, in with the new.....except it isn't really, it's a bad rip off of ESB, they've killed off almost all the old likeable characters and left us with 1 or 2 possibly decent ones and a whole load of annoying ones. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater springs to mind.
I have no idea what they will do with episode 9 now and pretty much don't really care at this point, all the mystery and goodwill they'd built in TFA is pretty much gone. I really should have known Disney would f
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