RE: Peugeot 607 | Shed of the Week
Discussion
MorganP104 said:
Nik Gnashers said:
MorganP104 said:
It really doesn't matter what the brand is, when a car becomes a minicab, it ceases to be a thing of beauty or desire, and evolves into a workhorse that will likely be flogged until it dies.
A good example is the Mercedes E-Class. Pampered one-owner vehicles are lovely. E-Classes that have been minicabbed are horrible.
Nothing to to with whether a car is French, German, British or anything else - it's how they're treated.
MorganP104, Terminator - altar boy
Yes,A good example is the Mercedes E-Class. Pampered one-owner vehicles are lovely. E-Classes that have been minicabbed are horrible.
Nothing to to with whether a car is French, German, British or anything else - it's how they're treated.
MorganP104, Terminator - altar boy
I agree, and that is a good point.
What I did say, and would like to again make clear because you obviously missed the whole point of it, was :
I also drove an old Montego diesel estate, which was also abused even more so (because it was old and nobody gave a s
t about it). It did not suffer the same reliability problems as the french taxi's.Obviously any car if it is pampered, is going to be a lot more reliable than an abused one, not rocket science mate.
Comparing cars which are all abused (as taxi's all are) is a very good comparison of reliablility.
MorganP104, Thelma & Louise - Curate
Top job sir!
I quite like these. Not because they're particularly good but I have found memories of being about 10 years old when they first came out. My uncle worked for Peugeot and had one as a company car and showed me round it, took me out for a drive and it seemed space age. The 406 executive he had after also seemed quite flash. He even left me a load of promotional stuff for the 607 as he knew I was into cars.
Fond memories, especially considering the fact my parents had a base model mk5 escort and an early primera at the time. At the time the primera felt impressive just because it had electric windows in the back.
Fond memories, especially considering the fact my parents had a base model mk5 escort and an early primera at the time. At the time the primera felt impressive just because it had electric windows in the back.
Nik Gnashers said:
WRONG (again)
I don't hate the brand, and there are plenty of older classic pug's that I would love to own.
How can my 'claim' that the 406 that I drove was unreliable be a big mistake ?
I drove one regularly, worked with the owner, and it was always going wrong, that is what happened.
You didn't know the car, so why are you even commenting.
Yes it's easy to call me a liar isn't it.
Why would I bother lying about such a trivial thing ? I am just stating exactly what happened, it's you who seems to be triggered just because I happen to have bad experiences with a brand you are a blind fanboy of.
Maybe I am a blind fanboy like you claimed. But I will call you out for lying. If majority of Peugeot 406 users are enjoying and praising their vehicles, whose fault it is yours is not? Take some personal responsibilities when you abuse a vehicle and admit you messed the car up rather than coming online to blame and condemn the vehicle publicly to gain external validation or just to belong to majority. I have been a registered member of PH since 2011 and been seeing how sickening the degree of hatred majority of PH members have on French cars, specifically Peugeot. It's disgusting how men could degenerate to such hate. I don't hate the brand, and there are plenty of older classic pug's that I would love to own.
How can my 'claim' that the 406 that I drove was unreliable be a big mistake ?
I drove one regularly, worked with the owner, and it was always going wrong, that is what happened.
You didn't know the car, so why are you even commenting.
Yes it's easy to call me a liar isn't it.
Why would I bother lying about such a trivial thing ? I am just stating exactly what happened, it's you who seems to be triggered just because I happen to have bad experiences with a brand you are a blind fanboy of.
And to claim you own BMW and you are busy condemning another brand as unreliable is the most ridiculous thing I ever read. BMW vehicles are known for unreliable in the whole world and you are not ashamed to look into your own closet before looking at another man's closet to point out dirt. Just use any online search engine and type "BMW reliability issues" and you will find horrible stories from BMW users all over the world. I have nothing against BMW brand or vehicles and I have never criticized any of their vehicles because I don't believe everything I read and I have no personal experience with their cars. So I won't join bandwagon because everyone is condemning BMW as unreliable vehicles just because everyone is saying it. Because I am a man of my own. I think for myself and not a zombie other people think for. And that's exactly what you and majority of PH members do on Peugeot.
Peugeot 406 is one of the most reliable car Peugeot ever produced (I am speaking authoritatively as a Peugeot expert on this subject). So anyone who claim his 406 is or was unreliable should be ashamed of himself for abusing a car his fellow men had no issue to maintain well. I posted a link of a guy that used a 406 up to 1 million km mileage and the car was trouble-free throughout the ownership. It even happened in same Europe you guys complain from.
Before you criticize another man, his business or his creation, make sure you as an individual has created something better than what you are criticising the man for.
Ikenna351, Lion King - Monk.
Edited by Ikenna351 on Saturday 18th April 03:38
aston addict said:
When I was a lad my mother had a 205 gti 1.9, I drove it sometimes, scared me stless but was a fantastic car.
Love these French old barges and they (usually) have some styling flair about them. That Citroen DS9 looks fabulous - brilliant details like the light (indicator?) at the top of the c pillar etc.
And Peugeot came up with this stunning concept - E-Legend a while back:
That 505 looks fantastic. Why can’t car markers draw on their historic iconic designs and use them as inspiration for modern reinterpretations?
I still have a 205 1.9GTi now (car of dreams when I passed test - clearly couldn't afford it then, so reliving youth in my 40's!).tless but was a fantastic car.Love these French old barges and they (usually) have some styling flair about them. That Citroen DS9 looks fabulous - brilliant details like the light (indicator?) at the top of the c pillar etc.
And Peugeot came up with this stunning concept - E-Legend a while back:
That 505 looks fantastic. Why can’t car markers draw on their historic iconic designs and use them as inspiration for modern reinterpretations?
Edited by aston addict on Friday 17th April 18:02
Don't worry, It will still scare you s
tless now! Compared to anything from this century, it's a skittery little b@st@rd, but my god, bloody hilarious. Best thing is, you're less likely to get in trouble with the law either, as even though it feels like you're breaking the law at every corner - the reality is, you're never much more than 50mph until you get on to a straight! Haha! It usually stays in shelter over winter, but now because of this c-19, it is STILL buried in it's lair, not having been out since last year. Ahh well, maybe next month.
Mr Micawber said:
Bonjour,
I have owned quite a few Pugs and my experience was always pretty positive - 405 and 406 in particular were great comfy workhorses.
As for a more up to date garlic loving alternative to the 607 - surely these are the obvious heir apparent, non?
Mr Micawber, Smokey and the Bandit - Shaman
Are these as fragile as parkers or honest John say they are? I've always wanted one but too old to wait around for breakdown trucks when I go for a drive...I have owned quite a few Pugs and my experience was always pretty positive - 405 and 406 in particular were great comfy workhorses.
As for a more up to date garlic loving alternative to the 607 - surely these are the obvious heir apparent, non?
Mr Micawber, Smokey and the Bandit - Shaman
Edited by Mr Micawber on Friday 17th April 23:35
nav2014, The Griffin Tickler - Seabiscuit
Jazoli said:
Can anyone please explain this?
Right, so originally this bloke gave a load of guff to another bloke in the 'Cadillac Blackwing' article about the droning topic of 'auto v manual'. In his rant, he stated that he was currently 'actually replacing the auto in his Peugeot 607 with a manual, as we don't all drive like dummies' (or words to that effect), and ended his post with his Username, then the words 'Lion King' and 'Monk'.The other bloke then replied with 'was it not a bit strange going to the expense of putting a manual in to a car, which with all due respect, is a classic 'shed' candidate?', before then replying: 'I have no idea what 'Lion King - Monk' means, so I'll ignore it'.
Lion King dude didn't reply, but 2 days later, guess what has been declared 'Shed Of The Week'? Yep, that gorgeous 607 you see here (and PH have still not credited me with giving them the idea this week, but I'm not bitter!
)So now as you've seen yourself, Lion King dude is a bit passionate about his Puggo, and well, the thread quickly meandered towards a one man crusade to show the world how passionate he really was: He continued to sign off every single one of his 403 posts with his username, followed by Lion King and Monk, everyone else continued to be confused.
THEN, in a stroke of comical genius, PH member J4CKO added his own bent to the moniker, by substituting Lion King and Monk with his own favoured animated film and ecclesiastical moniker (Fantasia and Cardianal). BigMon soon followed with 'Shark Tale 2 and Minor Canon, with a contribution of 'Finding Nemo and Vice Deacon' coming soon after.
Since then however, it seems like a bit of 'Chinese Whispers' has crept in and the answers have gone off on occasional mad tangents. HOWEVER, the sentiment has continued to grow and amuse, and has proved a much needed comic relief to what had quickly become a rather tiresome one-man love-in.
OH, it DID finally come to light where the 'Lion King' moniker came from. It seems it isn't a Disney film at all, but is actually what Puggo Fanboys call the 607. Yep, the love is so strong, they named it king. Hey, whatever makes them happy.
Oh again, before the Lion King comes on and gives me grief - again, not only have I owned a Peugeot 405 SRi in the past (bag of s
te - no, it was NOTHING like a mini Mi16 that I hoped/thought it would be, and it was quickly forgotten), and also a Citroen XM 2.0Si (another bag of ste - but still to this day, one of the favourite cars I've ever owned, as it just oozed so much character, I forgave it everything), but I actually currently own a Peugeot right now: a 205 1.9GTi. Yep, owned for the last 6 years and sat in my garage right now - a dream car when I passed my test in 89 (but clearly not being able to afford it back then), it is now a keeper and will never leave me. But then again, maybe I AM anti-Peugeot after all.Right, sorry for the long drivel, but it's 7am on a Saturday morning, and I'm fu€&1ng beyond bored already!!!!
Arsecati - Finding Nemo - Vice Deacon
Only had a look to see why the article had gained so many responses, certainly didn’t disappoint! Good on him for being so passionate and contributing to an entertaining read. These always look like a lot of car for the money but then there are plenty of other examples of that which I’d probably go for first if I’m honest.
Arsecati said:
Jazoli said:
Can anyone please explain this?
Right, so originally this bloke gave a load of guff to another bloke in the 'Cadillac Blackwing' article about the droning topic of 'auto v manual'. In his rant, he stated that he was currently 'actually replacing the auto in his Peugeot 607 with a manual, as we don't all drive like dummies' (or words to that effect), and ended his post with his Username, then the words 'Lion King' and 'Monk'.The other bloke then replied with 'was it not a bit strange going to the expense of putting a manual in to a car, which with all due respect, is a classic 'shed' candidate?', before then replying: 'I have no idea what 'Lion King - Monk' means, so I'll ignore it'.
Lion King dude didn't reply, but 2 days later, guess what has been declared 'Shed Of The Week'? Yep, that gorgeous 607 you see here (and PH have still not credited me with giving them the idea this week, but I'm not bitter!
)So now as you've seen yourself, Lion King dude is a bit passionate about his Puggo, and well, the thread quickly meandered towards a one man crusade to show the world how passionate he really was: He continued to sign off every single one of his 403 posts with his username, followed by Lion King and Monk, everyone else continued to be confused.
THEN, in a stroke of comical genius, PH member J4CKO added his own bent to the moniker, by substituting Lion King and Monk with his own favoured animated film and ecclesiastical moniker (Fantasia and Cardianal). BigMon soon followed with 'Shark Tale 2 and Minor Canon, with a contribution of 'Finding Nemo and Vice Deacon' coming soon after.
Since then however, it seems like a bit of 'Chinese Whispers' has crept in and the answers have gone off on occasional mad tangents. HOWEVER, the sentiment has continued to grow and amuse, and has proved a much needed comic relief to what had quickly become a rather tiresome one-man love-in.
OH, it DID finally come to light where the 'Lion King' moniker came from. It seems it isn't a Disney film at all, but is actually what Puggo Fanboys call the 607. Yep, the love is so strong, they named it king. Hey, whatever makes them happy.
Oh again, before the Lion King comes on and gives me grief - again, not only have I owned a Peugeot 405 SRi in the past (bag of s
te - no, it was NOTHING like a mini Mi16 that I hoped/thought it would be, and it was quickly forgotten), and also a Citroen XM 2.0Si (another bag of ste - but still to this day, one of the favourite cars I've ever owned, as it just oozed so much character, I forgave it everything), but I actually currently own a Peugeot right now: a 205 1.9GTi. Yep, owned for the last 6 years and sat in my garage right now - a dream car when I passed my test in 89 (but clearly not being able to afford it back then), it is now a keeper and will never leave me. But then again, maybe I AM anti-Peugeot after all.Right, sorry for the long drivel, but it's 7am on a Saturday morning, and I'm fu€&1ng beyond bored already!!!!
Arsecati - Finding Nemo - Vice Deacon
humphra said:
Arsecati said:
Jazoli said:
Can anyone please explain this?
Right, so originally this bloke gave a load of guff to another bloke in the 'Cadillac Blackwing' article about the droning topic of 'auto v manual'. In his rant, he stated that he was currently 'actually replacing the auto in his Peugeot 607 with a manual, as we don't all drive like dummies' (or words to that effect), and ended his post with his Username, then the words 'Lion King' and 'Monk'.The other bloke then replied with 'was it not a bit strange going to the expense of putting a manual in to a car, which with all due respect, is a classic 'shed' candidate?', before then replying: 'I have no idea what 'Lion King - Monk' means, so I'll ignore it'.
Lion King dude didn't reply, but 2 days later, guess what has been declared 'Shed Of The Week'? Yep, that gorgeous 607 you see here (and PH have still not credited me with giving them the idea this week, but I'm not bitter!
)So now as you've seen yourself, Lion King dude is a bit passionate about his Puggo, and well, the thread quickly meandered towards a one man crusade to show the world how passionate he really was: He continued to sign off every single one of his 403 posts with his username, followed by Lion King and Monk, everyone else continued to be confused.
THEN, in a stroke of comical genius, PH member J4CKO added his own bent to the moniker, by substituting Lion King and Monk with his own favoured animated film and ecclesiastical moniker (Fantasia and Cardianal). BigMon soon followed with 'Shark Tale 2 and Minor Canon, with a contribution of 'Finding Nemo and Vice Deacon' coming soon after.
Since then however, it seems like a bit of 'Chinese Whispers' has crept in and the answers have gone off on occasional mad tangents. HOWEVER, the sentiment has continued to grow and amuse, and has proved a much needed comic relief to what had quickly become a rather tiresome one-man love-in.
OH, it DID finally come to light where the 'Lion King' moniker came from. It seems it isn't a Disney film at all, but is actually what Puggo Fanboys call the 607. Yep, the love is so strong, they named it king. Hey, whatever makes them happy.
Oh again, before the Lion King comes on and gives me grief - again, not only have I owned a Peugeot 405 SRi in the past (bag of s
te - no, it was NOTHING like a mini Mi16 that I hoped/thought it would be, and it was quickly forgotten), and also a Citroen XM 2.0Si (another bag of ste - but still to this day, one of the favourite cars I've ever owned, as it just oozed so much character, I forgave it everything), but I actually currently own a Peugeot right now: a 205 1.9GTi. Yep, owned for the last 6 years and sat in my garage right now - a dream car when I passed my test in 89 (but clearly not being able to afford it back then), it is now a keeper and will never leave me. But then again, maybe I AM anti-Peugeot after all.Right, sorry for the long drivel, but it's 7am on a Saturday morning, and I'm fu€&1ng beyond bored already!!!!
Arsecati - Finding Nemo - Vice Deacon
The rule of thumb with Peugeot's is that pre 1990's were the hayday of french cars, 1990 upto 1999 were the last good ones built (but these usually suffered badly in the electrical department, caused by the dodgy shell to door loom which became brittle over time and gave you all sorts of central locking, window and other minor gremiins to boot), anything built between 2000 and 2009 and also had a 7 at the end of its number was to be avoided like the plague.
That is pretty much true, the exceptions are the 206, it had the worst position for your feet ever, yet was the best selling Peugeot.
The last of the great Pugs are usually seen as the 106 GTi/XSi/Rallye and the 306 GTi-6 and Rallye.
The 205 GTi is seen as the all time great but the 309 GTi is a better all round package.
But its those cars produced or that came into production between 2000 and 2009 that killed the brands name.
This includes the 607.
Is it a great car? No.
Its too wallowy, it couldnt compete with the BMW 5 series at the time (which is what it was meant to be competing against), didn't hold its value very well but if you wanted a good motorway barge that was a great 2nd hand buy, this was it.
If you can overlook what else Peugeot produced during those 10 years (the 307 which gave you additional free miles rather than took them away, the 207 which is nearly as heavy as an RCZ, the 407, 1007, 4007, 807, 107, all fairly mediocre), you can still find a decent model if you wanted a first car or a shed.
Since 2010, Peugeot have progressively been producing better models, not perfect, but better.
They don't have all the electrical gremlins they use to, though sensors seem to be the biggest issues you come across (on every brand, including those top end German Premium models), and the build quality is a vast improvement on cars 10+ years old, and even though the infotainment systems are a little lacking, even those are getting better.
But if you do want an old school Pug without the high price tag (205 and 309 GTI's are starting to fetch a premium price), then you wont really go far wrong with a 607.
That is pretty much true, the exceptions are the 206, it had the worst position for your feet ever, yet was the best selling Peugeot.
The last of the great Pugs are usually seen as the 106 GTi/XSi/Rallye and the 306 GTi-6 and Rallye.
The 205 GTi is seen as the all time great but the 309 GTi is a better all round package.
But its those cars produced or that came into production between 2000 and 2009 that killed the brands name.
This includes the 607.
Is it a great car? No.
Its too wallowy, it couldnt compete with the BMW 5 series at the time (which is what it was meant to be competing against), didn't hold its value very well but if you wanted a good motorway barge that was a great 2nd hand buy, this was it.
If you can overlook what else Peugeot produced during those 10 years (the 307 which gave you additional free miles rather than took them away, the 207 which is nearly as heavy as an RCZ, the 407, 1007, 4007, 807, 107, all fairly mediocre), you can still find a decent model if you wanted a first car or a shed.
Since 2010, Peugeot have progressively been producing better models, not perfect, but better.
They don't have all the electrical gremlins they use to, though sensors seem to be the biggest issues you come across (on every brand, including those top end German Premium models), and the build quality is a vast improvement on cars 10+ years old, and even though the infotainment systems are a little lacking, even those are getting better.
But if you do want an old school Pug without the high price tag (205 and 309 GTI's are starting to fetch a premium price), then you wont really go far wrong with a 607.
I owned a 205 Gti 1.6 back in the day (was really unreliable, but one of my favourite cars of all time having been the second car I owned after a Fiat Panda), and my dad owned a 504 which was also hideously unreliable but again I still think it's a great looking car.....but this....just a big bland jelly mould. Has there been a decent looking Pug this century? Not convinced. Love the 604 and 505 mind you, and of the more recent French barges the Citroën C6 has often tempted were it not so expensive to tax.
Robert-nszl1- Battlestar Galactica, Monsignor
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MorganP104 said:
Nik Gnashers said:
MorganP104 said:
It really doesn't matter what the brand is, when a car becomes a minicab, it ceases to be a thing of beauty or desire, and evolves into a workhorse that will likely be flogged until it dies.
A good example is the Mercedes E-Class. Pampered one-owner vehicles are lovely. E-Classes that have been minicabbed are horrible.
Nothing to to with whether a car is French, German, British or anything else - it's how they're treated.
MorganP104, Terminator - altar boy
Yes,A good example is the Mercedes E-Class. Pampered one-owner vehicles are lovely. E-Classes that have been minicabbed are horrible.
Nothing to to with whether a car is French, German, British or anything else - it's how they're treated.
MorganP104, Terminator - altar boy
I agree, and that is a good point.
What I did say, and would like to again make clear because you obviously missed the whole point of it, was :
I also drove an old Montego diesel estate, which was also abused even more so (because it was old and nobody gave a s
t about it). It did not suffer the same reliability problems as the french taxi's.Obviously any car if it is pampered, is going to be a lot more reliable than an abused one, not rocket science mate.
Comparing cars which are all abused (as taxi's all are) is a very good comparison of reliablility.
MorganP104, Thelma & Louise - Curate
I knew I'd be famous one day. Brilliant.
Ikenna351 said:
Maybe I am a blind fanboy like you claimed. But I will call you out for lying. If majority of Peugeot 406 users are enjoying and praising their vehicles, whose fault it is yours is not? Take some personal responsibilities when you abuse a vehicle and admit you messed the car up rather than coming online to blame and condemn the vehicle publicly to gain external validation or just to belong to majority. I have been a registered member of PH since 2011 and been seeing how sickening the degree of hatred majority of PH members have on French cars, specifically Peugeot. It's disgusting how men could degenerate to such hate.
And to claim you own BMW and you are busy condemning another brand as unreliable is the most ridiculous thing I ever read. BMW vehicles are known for unreliable in the whole world and you are not ashamed to look into your own closet before looking at another man's closet to point out dirt. Just use any online search engine and type "BMW reliability issues" and you will find horrible stories from BMW users all over the world. I have nothing against BMW brand or vehicles and I have never criticized any of their vehicles because I don't believe everything I read and I have no personal experience with their cars. So I won't join bandwagon because everyone is condemning BMW as unreliable vehicles just because everyone is saying it. Because I am a man of my own. I think for myself and not a zombie other people think for. And that's exactly what you and majority of PH members do on Peugeot.
Peugeot 406 is one of the most reliable car Peugeot ever produced (I am speaking authoritatively as a Peugeot expert on this subject). So anyone who claim his 406 is or was unreliable should be ashamed of himself for abusing a car his fellow men had no issue to maintain well. I posted a link of a guy that used a 406 up to 1 million km mileage and the car was trouble-free throughout the ownership. It even happened in same Europe you guys complain from.
Before you criticize another man, his business or his creation, make sure you as an individual has created something better than what you are criticising the man for.
Ikenna351, Lion King - Monk.
Blah blah blah blah.......And to claim you own BMW and you are busy condemning another brand as unreliable is the most ridiculous thing I ever read. BMW vehicles are known for unreliable in the whole world and you are not ashamed to look into your own closet before looking at another man's closet to point out dirt. Just use any online search engine and type "BMW reliability issues" and you will find horrible stories from BMW users all over the world. I have nothing against BMW brand or vehicles and I have never criticized any of their vehicles because I don't believe everything I read and I have no personal experience with their cars. So I won't join bandwagon because everyone is condemning BMW as unreliable vehicles just because everyone is saying it. Because I am a man of my own. I think for myself and not a zombie other people think for. And that's exactly what you and majority of PH members do on Peugeot.
Peugeot 406 is one of the most reliable car Peugeot ever produced (I am speaking authoritatively as a Peugeot expert on this subject). So anyone who claim his 406 is or was unreliable should be ashamed of himself for abusing a car his fellow men had no issue to maintain well. I posted a link of a guy that used a 406 up to 1 million km mileage and the car was trouble-free throughout the ownership. It even happened in same Europe you guys complain from.
Before you criticize another man, his business or his creation, make sure you as an individual has created something better than what you are criticising the man for.
Ikenna351, Lion King - Monk.
Edited by Ikenna351 on Saturday 18th April 03:38
Please point out to me where I said all BMW's were reliable ?
I'm 50 years old, I work in the motor trade, I know all bout the various timing chain, valve stem seals, and every other BMW issue.
Talk about mountains out of molehills, what a bore.
You are still calling me a liar, and THAT is 'disgusting' .......... I have already said that pampered cars will be more reliable than abused ones in my reply to the other gentlemen but you haven't read that have you ?
No, you have bashed away blindly accusing me of being a liar just because mr self titled 'lion king' peugeot blind fanboy can't bear to hear the truth.
Please just stop embarrassing yourself.
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