Jacob Rees-Mogg
Discussion
El stovey said:
LP670 said:
Im from the heart of Labour voting land in South Yorkshire, working class upbringing and still consider myself that today, however, if JRM was to become the Tory leader i would vote for them.
What is it about him that you like?El stovey said:
Lots of moderate conservative voters on here recognise that JRM holds views etc that they disagree with.
Because you usually vote conservative though, you think, “well it’s OK because he can’t inpose them on the country” or that “he doesn’t want to make them battles” etc. Some of you even say it’s admirable “he states them clearly”so it’s actually a plus in his book. There’s even the old rubbish about people not liking him being jealous, that’s the kind of nonsense you tell your children if someone calls them names.
That’s because you want to vote conservative and are trying to convince yourselves it’s OK that the party leader is JRM.
The fact is that lots of other people that aren’t ideologicaly tied to a party, simply won’t do this. JRM will put them off voting conservative. It will be very bad for the conservatives if JRM becomes the leader. If he’s even being considered, unfortunately, it shows how out of touch with the electorate the conservatives will have become, JRM will only appeal to the conservatives that only ever vote conservative. People on the left and middle will likely be looking elsewhere.
It’s all entirely avoidable of course and will only happen if JRM becomes the party leader. I can’t see it happening before brexit anyway, these backstabbers seem to prefer to be chucking stones from the background and plotting and undermining from the sidelines, rather than actually trying to overthrow the leader in an up front, open leadership contest.
I've voted for all three main parties at some point or another although the past few years I've always voted Tory that's simply because they were closest to the views I held or in some cases other parties held views which I disagreed with more than I agreed with the Tory views. I generally want to vote for people who hold the views closest to mine. Labour often do but they also generally have a policy they're very keen on that I absolutely disagree with and that rules them out.Because you usually vote conservative though, you think, “well it’s OK because he can’t inpose them on the country” or that “he doesn’t want to make them battles” etc. Some of you even say it’s admirable “he states them clearly”so it’s actually a plus in his book. There’s even the old rubbish about people not liking him being jealous, that’s the kind of nonsense you tell your children if someone calls them names.
That’s because you want to vote conservative and are trying to convince yourselves it’s OK that the party leader is JRM.
The fact is that lots of other people that aren’t ideologicaly tied to a party, simply won’t do this. JRM will put them off voting conservative. It will be very bad for the conservatives if JRM becomes the leader. If he’s even being considered, unfortunately, it shows how out of touch with the electorate the conservatives will have become, JRM will only appeal to the conservatives that only ever vote conservative. People on the left and middle will likely be looking elsewhere.
It’s all entirely avoidable of course and will only happen if JRM becomes the party leader. I can’t see it happening before brexit anyway, these backstabbers seem to prefer to be chucking stones from the background and plotting and undermining from the sidelines, rather than actually trying to overthrow the leader in an up front, open leadership contest.
El stovey said:
Lots of moderate conservative voters on here recognise that JRM holds views etc that they disagree with.
Because you usually vote conservative though, you think, “well it’s OK because he can’t inpose them on the country” or that “he doesn’t want to make them battles” etc. Some of you even say it’s admirable “he states them clearly”so it’s actually a plus in his book. There’s even the old rubbish about people not liking him being jealous, that’s the kind of nonsense you tell your children if someone calls them names.
That’s because you want to vote conservative and are trying to convince yourselves it’s OK that the party leader is JRM.
The fact is that lots of other people that aren’t ideologicaly tied to a party, simply won’t do this. JRM will put them off voting conservative. It will be very bad for the conservatives if JRM becomes the leader. If he’s even being considered, unfortunately, it shows how out of touch with the electorate the conservatives will have become, JRM will only appeal to the conservatives that only ever vote conservative. People on the left and middle will likely be looking elsewhere.
It’s all entirely avoidable of course and will only happen if JRM becomes the party leader. I can’t see it happening before brexit anyway, these backstabbers seem to prefer to be chucking stones from the background and plotting and undermining from the sidelines, rather than actually trying to overthrow the leader in an up front, open leadership contest.
Previous Lib Dem, floating voter, that would vote Conservative if Mogg was in charge here.Because you usually vote conservative though, you think, “well it’s OK because he can’t inpose them on the country” or that “he doesn’t want to make them battles” etc. Some of you even say it’s admirable “he states them clearly”so it’s actually a plus in his book. There’s even the old rubbish about people not liking him being jealous, that’s the kind of nonsense you tell your children if someone calls them names.
That’s because you want to vote conservative and are trying to convince yourselves it’s OK that the party leader is JRM.
The fact is that lots of other people that aren’t ideologicaly tied to a party, simply won’t do this. JRM will put them off voting conservative. It will be very bad for the conservatives if JRM becomes the leader. If he’s even being considered, unfortunately, it shows how out of touch with the electorate the conservatives will have become, JRM will only appeal to the conservatives that only ever vote conservative. People on the left and middle will likely be looking elsewhere.
It’s all entirely avoidable of course and will only happen if JRM becomes the party leader. I can’t see it happening before brexit anyway, these backstabbers seem to prefer to be chucking stones from the background and plotting and undermining from the sidelines, rather than actually trying to overthrow the leader in an up front, open leadership contest.
JRM is free to vote with his conscience on the issues like homosexuality and abortion because he knows they won't be overturned. It doesn't matter to anyone, unless you like your MP's to work with platitudes.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
Fastchas said:
JRM is free to vote with his conscience on the issues like homosexuality and abortion because he knows they won't be overturned. It doesn't matter to anyone, unless you like your MP's to work with platitudes.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
What are his reasoned arguments on homosexuality and abortion? I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
Zod said:
Fastchas said:
JRM is free to vote with his conscience on the issues like homosexuality and abortion because he knows they won't be overturned. It doesn't matter to anyone, unless you like your MP's to work with platitudes.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
What are his reasoned arguments on homosexuality and abortion? I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
MDMetal said:
Zod said:
Fastchas said:
JRM is free to vote with his conscience on the issues like homosexuality and abortion because he knows they won't be overturned. It doesn't matter to anyone, unless you like your MP's to work with platitudes.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
What are his reasoned arguments on homosexuality and abortion? I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
MDMetal said:
Is that relevant? He can have whatever thoughts he likes on areas that he'll never be able to influence.
Why won’t he be able to influence them?All we need are more MPs with his views and he gets his way.
I don’t want any with his views. Especially not a prime minister.
wiggy001 said:
Garvin said:
I must have missed the memo where dressage horses now man the trawlers!
Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
This. His local constituents seem happy with him and I think those saying JC would trounce him in an election may be slightly biased. Most of the mainstream media love JRM and most of the electorate are easily swayed by the media when it comes to elections. Unless The Sun backed JC over JRM then JRM would walk it.Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
JRM has no backing within the parliamentary Conservative party. He has no experience of office at any level; never been a junior minister, not even a PPS. He has only been a member of one serious Select Committee, the Treasury SC, for a whole 2 years and he isn't on it any more. He's an absolute political light weight. Not only that, but he has no track record of loyalty or contribution to the Party itself; he hasn't earned any tribal loyalty. There is no chance of him winning a leadership election on those grounds alone. But if we then consider that he'd also be a monumental electoral liability and the Conservatives put winning ahead of most things, the absurdity of the suggestion becomes even more stark.
Man of the people? He's a reactionary, arch-conservative, old Etonian, multi-millionaire former hedge fund manager. If you don't think that might be problematic when trying to win over swing voters ...
El stovey said:
MDMetal said:
Is that relevant? He can have whatever thoughts he likes on areas that he'll never be able to influence.
Why won’t he be able to influence them?All we need are more MPs with his views and he gets his way.
I don’t want any with his views. Especially not a prime minister.
Personal choice I look at the pro's and cons of whats on offer I'd weight him fairly high vs others, I find predictability to be rather important
Zod said:
Fastchas likes JRM's reasoned arguments and mentions his voting with his conscience. It's relevant, because it shows that JRM is an intellectual coward, who refuses to apply his intellect to these questions for fear of undermining his faith in the Catholic Church. He is unworthy of respect because of this. Plenty of priests display much greater intellectual courage in this area.
This ^Zod said:
Fastchas likes JRM's reasoned arguments and mentions his voting with his conscience. It's relevant, because it shows that JRM is an intellectual coward, who refuses to apply his intellect to these questions for fear of undermining his faith in the Catholic Church. He is unworthy of respect because of this. Plenty of priests display much greater intellectual courage in this area.
Yup, he’s there banging in about his conscience and convictions, deviously promoting himself and his own agenda at the expense of his party and leader. He should stfu and support his party and stop undermining May and her attempts to produce the best Brexit possible. It was him and his eurosceptic mates that caused the referendum in the first place, now he’s in the sidelines criticising those trying to make the best of it. Oh but he’s so honest because he admits he gets his views from a Devine being and it’s no drama because at the moment there aren’t enough of them to take over.
He doesn’t look honest to me at all. I wonder how trustworthy his PM is finding him at the moment? One minute he’s banging on about supporting her, next he’s undermining her with silly stunts to promote himself whilst he pretends he’s not interested in leadership.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 22 March 12:39
ATG said:
wiggy001 said:
Garvin said:
I must have missed the memo where dressage horses now man the trawlers!
Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
This. His local constituents seem happy with him and I think those saying JC would trounce him in an election may be slightly biased. Most of the mainstream media love JRM and most of the electorate are easily swayed by the media when it comes to elections. Unless The Sun backed JC over JRM then JRM would walk it.Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
JRM has no backing within the parliamentary Conservative party. He has no experience of office at any level; never been a junior minister, not even a PPS. He has only been a member of one serious Select Committee, the Treasury SC, for a whole 2 years and he isn't on it any more. He's an absolute political light weight. Not only that, but he has no track record of loyalty or contribution to the Party itself; he hasn't earned any tribal loyalty. There is no chance of him winning a leadership election on those grounds alone. But if we then consider that he'd also be a monumental electoral liability and the Conservatives put winning ahead of most things, the absurdity of the suggestion becomes even more stark.
Man of the people? He's a reactionary, arch-conservative, old Etonian, multi-millionaire former hedge fund manager. If you don't think that might be problematic when trying to win over swing voters ...
LP670 said:
El stovey said:
LP670 said:
Im from the heart of Labour voting land in South Yorkshire, working class upbringing and still consider myself that today, however, if JRM was to become the Tory leader i would vote for them.
What is it about him that you like?p1stonhead said:
ATG said:
wiggy001 said:
Garvin said:
I must have missed the memo where dressage horses now man the trawlers!
Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
This. His local constituents seem happy with him and I think those saying JC would trounce him in an election may be slightly biased. Most of the mainstream media love JRM and most of the electorate are easily swayed by the media when it comes to elections. Unless The Sun backed JC over JRM then JRM would walk it.Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
JRM has no backing within the parliamentary Conservative party. He has no experience of office at any level; never been a junior minister, not even a PPS. He has only been a member of one serious Select Committee, the Treasury SC, for a whole 2 years and he isn't on it any more. He's an absolute political light weight. Not only that, but he has no track record of loyalty or contribution to the Party itself; he hasn't earned any tribal loyalty. There is no chance of him winning a leadership election on those grounds alone. But if we then consider that he'd also be a monumental electoral liability and the Conservatives put winning ahead of most things, the absurdity of the suggestion becomes even more stark.
Man of the people? He's a reactionary, arch-conservative, old Etonian, multi-millionaire former hedge fund manager. If you don't think that might be problematic when trying to win over swing voters ...
MDMetal said:
Zod said:
Fastchas said:
JRM is free to vote with his conscience on the issues like homosexuality and abortion because he knows they won't be overturned. It doesn't matter to anyone, unless you like your MP's to work with platitudes.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
What are his reasoned arguments on homosexuality and abortion? I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
t about gays and sin?Difference with Yakoob Reet-Smugg though is that he's actually got a chance of becoming PM and driving Tory policy and therefore the government agenda through a Queen's Speech.
Horrifying prospect, and utterly pointless as any following government would roll it all back again.
Let's be honest, JRM has only become a contender because of the absolute shower of politicians we have at the moment, unable to state any position with conviction and always hedging their bets with regards to how statements will be perceived by voters.
We should not fall into the trap of thinking that because Rees-Mogg speaks his mind, that some of his opinions are ones we should follow.
Although I disagree with a fair few of his views, I admire him in the same way I admire Corbyn, because it's brave to take the contrary position in politics when you know you will make enemies all around you. He is also a very calm, polite and considered person. It doesn't mean however I want them to be PM, which I imagine to be successful requires a skillset which I don't think JRM possesses.
I wouldn't think he is interested in the head role anyway; to me he seems to be right where he's most comfortable in Westminster.
We should not fall into the trap of thinking that because Rees-Mogg speaks his mind, that some of his opinions are ones we should follow.
Although I disagree with a fair few of his views, I admire him in the same way I admire Corbyn, because it's brave to take the contrary position in politics when you know you will make enemies all around you. He is also a very calm, polite and considered person. It doesn't mean however I want them to be PM, which I imagine to be successful requires a skillset which I don't think JRM possesses.
I wouldn't think he is interested in the head role anyway; to me he seems to be right where he's most comfortable in Westminster.
MDMetal said:
p1stonhead said:
ATG said:
wiggy001 said:
Garvin said:
I must have missed the memo where dressage horses now man the trawlers!
Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
This. His local constituents seem happy with him and I think those saying JC would trounce him in an election may be slightly biased. Most of the mainstream media love JRM and most of the electorate are easily swayed by the media when it comes to elections. Unless The Sun backed JC over JRM then JRM would walk it.Too many here are completely blinded by the dress preference, accent, lifestyle choices of JRM and, probably, are inflicted by a dose of green eyed envy at his wealth. He speaks up for the 'common man' more often than any other politician I know and far more than the illusion that JC is proffering. JC's vision will plunge all of us into a downward spiral, including the 'common man'.
JRM has no backing within the parliamentary Conservative party. He has no experience of office at any level; never been a junior minister, not even a PPS. He has only been a member of one serious Select Committee, the Treasury SC, for a whole 2 years and he isn't on it any more. He's an absolute political light weight. Not only that, but he has no track record of loyalty or contribution to the Party itself; he hasn't earned any tribal loyalty. There is no chance of him winning a leadership election on those grounds alone. But if we then consider that he'd also be a monumental electoral liability and the Conservatives put winning ahead of most things, the absurdity of the suggestion becomes even more stark.
Man of the people? He's a reactionary, arch-conservative, old Etonian, multi-millionaire former hedge fund manager. If you don't think that might be problematic when trying to win over swing voters ...
And 'he' doesnt have any policies as he isnt a leader of a party so what else can you judge other than the things he says or the way he comes across?
ElectricSoup said:
MDMetal said:
Zod said:
Fastchas said:
JRM is free to vote with his conscience on the issues like homosexuality and abortion because he knows they won't be overturned. It doesn't matter to anyone, unless you like your MP's to work with platitudes.
I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
What are his reasoned arguments on homosexuality and abortion? I like JRM, I like his reasoned arguments on anything he debates. I'm unsure about PM but I'd prefer him over any other offerings.
t about gays and sin?Difference with Yakoob Reet-Smugg though is that he's actually got a chance of becoming PM and driving Tory policy and therefore the government agenda through a Queen's Speech.
Horrifying prospect, and utterly pointless as any following government would roll it all back again.
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