Major incident at Salisbury District Hospital
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
News report this is all the public will see.
Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
https://news.sky.com/story/miracle-recovery-how-sergei-and-yulia-skripal-survived-the-novichok-attack-11318984Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/poisoni...
Oakey said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
News report this is all the public will see.
Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
https://news.sky.com/story/miracle-recovery-how-sergei-and-yulia-skripal-survived-the-novichok-attack-11318984Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/poisoni...
PurpleMoonlight said:
amusingduck said:
News report this is all the public will see.Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
PurpleMoonlight said:
News report this is all the public will see.
Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
Having lurked and viewed the thread drama with some amusement for a while, I must say you in particular really seem inordinately keen for the guilty party to be anyone but Russia - it HAS to be somebody else.Is anyone in authority going to explain why a nerve agent of high purity didn't work?
The MO certainly sounds similar to the narrative that came out of the Kremlin from day one. (The following in no particular order).
- Wasn't us.
-The Czechs did it.
- The Swedes did it.
- Porton Down did it.
- Novichock doesn't exist.
- If it was Novichock - it came from someone else.
- He deserved it anyway.
- You're all playing with fire / we're a nuclear power.
- Let us investigate it - hey why not?
- Hah - they're alive! Obviously if it were proper Novichok ( which doesn't exist and if it did we wouldn't know anything about) - they wouldn't be!
- It wasn't us «insert random third party here» did it instead.
- Prove it!
- Remember Iraq and Dossiers? It wasn't us because of a war that was fought for dubious reasons 15 years ago.
- You're kidnapping them!
- What do you mean they don't want to be anywhere near us - it wasn't us!
I predict a new line of evidence from Russia that will state that the latest findings are wrong, biased, completely inaccurate and/or yet another proof that the majority of the decadent West are all out to get them again. See also: MH17, Ukraine,
If similar accusations of a Nerve Agent attack were aimed at any other country (e.g Belgium) - they'd just fire back a diplomatic note of rebuttal and let the whole thing blow over. After all, if they didn't do anything - what more can you do aside from state your position and wait for the evidence to back that up?
Even if it were not Russia behind it, they've almost landed themselves firmly as suspects because of their usual theatricals that follow the same pattern whenever they've been caught out. It's old hat now; if they suddenly started being honest and actually telling the truth not many people would believe them anymore anyway.
That's my point of view anyway - agree or disagree with it at leisure!
LandRoverManiac said:
Having lurked and viewed the thread drama with some amusement for a while, I must say you in particular really seem inordinately keen for the guilty party to be anyone but Russia - it HAS to be somebody else.
The MO certainly sounds similar to the narrative that came out of the Kremlin from day one. (The following in no particular order).
- Wasn't us.
-The Czechs did it.
- The Swedes did it.
- Porton Down did it.
- Novichock doesn't exist.
- If it was Novichock - it came from someone else.
- He deserved it anyway.
- You're all playing with fire / we're a nuclear power.
- Let us investigate it - hey why not?
- Hah - they're alive! Obviously if it were proper Novichok ( which doesn't exist and if it did we wouldn't know anything about) - they wouldn't be!
- It wasn't us «insert random third party here» did it instead.
- Prove it!
- Remember Iraq and Dossiers? It wasn't us because of a war that was fought for dubious reasons 15 years ago.
- You're kidnapping them!
- What do you mean they don't want to be anywhere near us - it wasn't us!
I predict a new line of evidence from Russia that will state that the latest findings are wrong, biased, completely inaccurate and/or yet another proof that the majority of the decadent West are all out to get them again. See also: MH17, Ukraine,
If similar accusations of a Nerve Agent attack were aimed at any other country (e.g Belgium) - they'd just fire back a diplomatic note of rebuttal and let the whole thing blow over. After all, if they didn't do anything - what more can you do aside from state your position and wait for the evidence to back that up?
Even if it were not Russia behind it, they've almost landed themselves firmly as suspects because of their usual theatricals that follow the same pattern whenever they've been caught out. It's old hat now; if they suddenly started being honest and actually telling the truth not many people would believe them anymore anyway.
That's my point of view anyway - agree or disagree with it at leisure!
Somebody is indeed responsible and I have no issue if people want to suspect Russia.The MO certainly sounds similar to the narrative that came out of the Kremlin from day one. (The following in no particular order).
- Wasn't us.
-The Czechs did it.
- The Swedes did it.
- Porton Down did it.
- Novichock doesn't exist.
- If it was Novichock - it came from someone else.
- He deserved it anyway.
- You're all playing with fire / we're a nuclear power.
- Let us investigate it - hey why not?
- Hah - they're alive! Obviously if it were proper Novichok ( which doesn't exist and if it did we wouldn't know anything about) - they wouldn't be!
- It wasn't us «insert random third party here» did it instead.
- Prove it!
- Remember Iraq and Dossiers? It wasn't us because of a war that was fought for dubious reasons 15 years ago.
- You're kidnapping them!
- What do you mean they don't want to be anywhere near us - it wasn't us!
I predict a new line of evidence from Russia that will state that the latest findings are wrong, biased, completely inaccurate and/or yet another proof that the majority of the decadent West are all out to get them again. See also: MH17, Ukraine,
If similar accusations of a Nerve Agent attack were aimed at any other country (e.g Belgium) - they'd just fire back a diplomatic note of rebuttal and let the whole thing blow over. After all, if they didn't do anything - what more can you do aside from state your position and wait for the evidence to back that up?
Even if it were not Russia behind it, they've almost landed themselves firmly as suspects because of their usual theatricals that follow the same pattern whenever they've been caught out. It's old hat now; if they suddenly started being honest and actually telling the truth not many people would believe them anymore anyway.
That's my point of view anyway - agree or disagree with it at leisure!
I object to May acting as judge and jury and dispensing the sentence before the investigation is complete.
Might as well get this in as I was a kid at the time, 56 years ago the world was as mad as it is today, we were on the edge of armageddon then but thankfully it didn't happen and all passed by.
More appropriate was the year prior, in fact it was today's date, April 12th, 1961.
A landmark in history achieved by a Russian who was loved by the West.
All forgotten.
Sad.
More appropriate was the year prior, in fact it was today's date, April 12th, 1961.
A landmark in history achieved by a Russian who was loved by the West.
All forgotten.
Sad.
dandarez said:
Might as well get this in as I was a kid at the time, 56 years ago the world was as mad as it is today, we were on the edge of armageddon then but thankfully it didn't happen and all passed by.
More appropriate was the year prior, in fact it was today's date, April 12th, 1961.
A landmark in history achieved by a Russian who was loved by the West.
All forgotten.
Sad.
Yuri Gagarin?More appropriate was the year prior, in fact it was today's date, April 12th, 1961.
A landmark in history achieved by a Russian who was loved by the West.
All forgotten.
Sad.
LandRoverManiac said:
Having lurked and viewed the thread drama with some amusement for a while, I must say you in particular really seem inordinately keen for the guilty party to be anyone but Russia - it HAS to be somebody else.
The MO certainly sounds similar to the narrative that came out of the Kremlin from day one. (The following in no particular order).
- Wasn't us.
-The Czechs did it.
- The Swedes did it.
- Porton Down did it.
- Novichock doesn't exist.
....
That's my point of view anyway - agree or disagree with it at leisure!
Great post and a fantastic piss take of some of the stuff the Russians have actually said mixed with some stuff they didnt for comedy effect but what we can’t get away from is that whatever happened, whoever did it - the simple line that Putin was behind it just doesn't sit right.The MO certainly sounds similar to the narrative that came out of the Kremlin from day one. (The following in no particular order).
- Wasn't us.
-The Czechs did it.
- The Swedes did it.
- Porton Down did it.
- Novichock doesn't exist.
....
That's my point of view anyway - agree or disagree with it at leisure!
PurpleMoonlight said:
Somebody is indeed responsible and I have no issue if people want to suspect Russia.
I object to May acting as judge and jury and dispensing the sentence before the investigation is complete.
I suspect the Government's investigation has beliered sufficient clarity for them to go to 20odd other nations and show them the evidence. Which they seem to concur with and they too have passed "sentence".I object to May acting as judge and jury and dispensing the sentence before the investigation is complete.
I don't know who you expect to carry out a full investigation hold the guilty party to account. Whoever dies so would need access to all of the intelligence which the UK and partners hold and share amongst themselves. They are not likely to share it with and international parties who may be linked to a potential perpetrator.
There is no international abritor of international law. The UN has the Security Council, and we can all see how that works, or doesn't work.
I the absence of any credible international investigator and enforcer, nations who are threatened by another nation have no choice but to act unilaterally or as part of a coalition of partners who share a similar threat.
TTmonkey said:
Salisbury town centre to remain cordoned of "for many months to come".
FFS?
that does seem rather surprising; unless there are some odd properties of the agent (clearly there are - but odder than 'usual' chemical/nerve agents) -FFS?
-persistent - so stayed around long enough to effect not just both of them, but the policeman and maybe others
-no so persistent/good at transfer/absorption to deliver a fatal exposure (unless that is actually the design of this one?); plus as has been said, treatment may have overcome the potential outcome
-but now: difficult to remove/decontaminate? I was under the impression that there were neutralisation methods that were pretty effective and would able to have been done by now.
Unless the physical form is such that it can almost 'hide' or stabilise, but become harmful if disturbed (breaking the skin on custard sort of thing)
llewop said:
that does seem rather surprising; unless there are some odd properties of the agent (clearly there are - but odder than 'usual' chemical/nerve agents) -
-persistent - so stayed around long enough to effect not just both of them, but the policeman and maybe others
-no so persistent/good at transfer/absorption to deliver a fatal exposure (unless that is actually the design of this one?); plus as has been said, treatment may have overcome the potential outcome
-but now: difficult to remove/decontaminate? I was under the impression that there were neutralisation methods that were pretty effective and would able to have been done by now.
Unless the physical form is such that it can almost 'hide' or stabilise, but become harmful if disturbed (breaking the skin on custard sort of thing)
Or they're just not sure they've found it all. -persistent - so stayed around long enough to effect not just both of them, but the policeman and maybe others
-no so persistent/good at transfer/absorption to deliver a fatal exposure (unless that is actually the design of this one?); plus as has been said, treatment may have overcome the potential outcome
-but now: difficult to remove/decontaminate? I was under the impression that there were neutralisation methods that were pretty effective and would able to have been done by now.
Unless the physical form is such that it can almost 'hide' or stabilise, but become harmful if disturbed (breaking the skin on custard sort of thing)
TTmonkey said:
Salisbury town centre to remain cordoned of "for many months to come".
FFS?
Where did the above come from TT, I can't find any news articleFFS?
relating to it?
The only item I could find on Salisbury itself is the below.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-437...
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