E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

[Graveworm]

dhutch said:

Obviously if you take a graph total out of context, you can make it say anything you want.

A cyclist becoming a casualty likely does no harm to anything other themselves, and often then its scrapes and bruises, maybe a broken arm.
Where a car driver/passenger can mow down 150 people and not have so much of a scratch, but if they do become a casualty of end up in ICU!

Cyclists cause little harm to other cyclists compared to motorists. However a cyclist, undertaking the same journey as a motorist is almost twice as likely to cause harm to another cyclist and about as likely to harm a pedestrian.

[bigothunter]

768 said:

Walking's next in line to ban then, after segregating it from the motorcyclists it's killing.

What a strange comment

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

RizzoTheRat said:

Some stats put cycling as safer than walking for a given distance, so if we assume scooters are similar to bikes should we make them compulsory as safer alternative to walking?



(Data from David Spiegelhalter who's generally pretty good on this kind of thing https://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue55/features...

Those 'stats' confirm the case for segregation of vulnerable travellers from cars and other heavy vehicles. Also indicates that motorcycles should be banned.

In your dreams.

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

In your dreams.

Probably in yours too

[Donbot]

bigothunter said:

RizzoTheRat said:

Agree with segregating the vulnerable (I live somewhere with very good cycling infrastructure and it's fantastic) but as a motorcyclist I'm less keen on banning that

No problem - you have a fair chance of dying before any ban comes into effect.

[dhutch]

eldar said:

Thank you Daniel.

Nay bother.

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

In your dreams.

Probably in yours too

Actually as a motorcyclist I don't think motorcycles should be banned.
That's a particularly stupid comment, even for you.

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

In your dreams.

Probably in yours too

Actually as a motorcyclist I don't think motorcycles should be banned.
That's a particularly stupid comment, even for you.

I am a motorcyclist too, you nasty obnoxious little individual.

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

bigothunter said:

monthou said:

In your dreams.

Probably in yours too

Actually as a motorcyclist I don't think motorcycles should be banned.
That's a particularly stupid comment, even for you.

I am a motorcyclist too, you nasty obnoxious little individual.

That makes your constant moaning and whinging about e-scooters even more bizarre and inexplicable.

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

That makes your constant moaning and whinging about e-scooters even more bizarre and inexplicable.

I've explained why I have reservations about e-scooters in detail. Try taking a broader perspective and consider the implications. Blind faith is not healthy.

[jakesmith]

bigothunter said:

you nasty obnoxious little individual.

You couldn’t have described yourself more accurately, you have completely derailed / ruined this thread, pretty much the only one I follow on this forum. I wish you’d just leave and not come back.

[anonymous-user]

jakesmith said:

bigothunter said:

you nasty obnoxious little individual.

You couldn’t have described yourself more accurately, you have completely derailed / ruined this thread, pretty much the only one I follow on this forum. I wish you’d just leave and not come back.

I used to be a regular in this thread. Discussing the rental schemes, any changes in legislation, and so on, and now I don't bother with it much after it was ruined as you say, by one individual with an unhealthy obsession.

[bigothunter]

Lord Marylebone said:

jakesmith said:

bigothunter said:

you nasty obnoxious little individual.

You couldn’t have described yourself more accurately, you have completely derailed / ruined this thread, pretty much the only one I follow on this forum. I wish you’d just leave and not come back.

I used to be a regular in this thread. Discussing the rental schemes, any changes in legislation, and so on, and now I don't bother with it much after it was ruined as you say, by one individual with an unhealthy obsession.

My opinion differs from yours and neither of you can accept that, can you?

[anonymous-user]

bigothunter said:

My opinion differs from yours and neither of you can accept that, can you?

I have been on this forum for nearly 13 years and have discussed, started, and debated hundreds of topics with almost no issues, and I get on with almost everyone here even when there are differences of opinion, but you have managed to blunder in here and turn a thread into something that numerous people are saying they want nothing to do with anymore.

Jakesmith has also been here a long time, and also has almost zero issues with other threads or other posters, apart from you.

That tells its own story, and it is clearly more to do with you than anyone else.

You have made the same point over and over again, that you don’t think scooters are safe, and point out all the technical reasons why, yet you seem incapable of accepting that many others here actually agree with you on the risks, but we simply feel the value of them as urban transport outweighs the safety concerns.

Pointing out issues you have with the legislation, the riders, and the scooters over and over again is just tedious and getting nowhere.

If you have no interest in owning or operating a scooter, I have no idea why you are in this thread. Just to moan about the idea of them?

[jakesmith]

bigothunter said:

Lord Marylebone said:

jakesmith said:

bigothunter said:

you nasty obnoxious little individual.

You couldn’t have described yourself more accurately, you have completely derailed / ruined this thread, pretty much the only one I follow on this forum. I wish you’d just leave and not come back.

I used to be a regular in this thread. Discussing the rental schemes, any changes in legislation, and so on, and now I don't bother with it much after it was ruined as you say, by one individual with an unhealthy obsession.

My opinion differs from yours and neither of you can accept that, can you?

You clearly have absolutely zero interest in e-scooters, and appear to be here purely to antagonise and annoy people trying to have an ongoing conversation about an area of interest. You have made your points now, so why don't you let the conversation continue without steaming in and looking to disrupt / ruin it for other people? Or is your objective to shut this discussion down as you don't like e-scooters?
Well it's worked, so well done.

[Pothole]

MB140 said:

You wouldn’t go out on a motorbike at those speeds without some serious safety kit. Let alone an unstable by comparison e scooter.

Who wouldn't? As you know, the only legal requirement for safety kit on a PTW is a helmet and plenty of people use lids which don't comply to the regs around those. Still, never let facts get in the way of a sweeping generalisation, eh?

[MB140]

Pothole said:

Who wouldn't? As you know, the only legal requirement for safety kit on a PTW is a helmet and plenty of people use lids which don't comply to the regs around those. Still, never let facts get in the way of a sweeping generalisation, eh?

Mate i was discussing a post about an e scooter capable of doing 70 mph, like i said i wouldn’t go out on a motorbike at those speeds without some serious safety kit on helmet, leather, Kevlar etc So i stick with my comment about natural selection and only morons going on an e-scooter capable of 70mph. One’s limited to 15mph, do what the hell you want to do pothole, in fact if you want to go 70mph on an e-scooter then you crack right on. Someone will be glad for the use of your organs when you kill yourself.

[Solocle]

MB140 said:

Mate i was discussing a post about an e scooter capable of doing 70 mph, like i said i wouldn’t go out on a motorbike at those speeds without some serious safety kit on helmet, leather, Kevlar etc So i stick with my comment about natural selection and only morons going on an e-scooter capable of 70mph. One’s limited to 15mph, do what the hell you want to do pothole, in fact if you want to go 70mph on an e-scooter then you crack right on. Someone will be glad for the use of your organs when you kill yourself.

Just because they're capable of 70 mph doesn't mean that they'll actually be ridden at 70 mph.

What's a pedal cycle capable of? Because my top speed, set in September, was 57 mph. My safety kit consisted of a styrofoam hat and some lycra.

I tell you what, I'm more comfortable on dual carriageways when I'm doing 40-50 mph than 30, which is significantly more comfortable than my average flat speed of 20 mph.

While 70 seems a bit ludicrous, scooters being limited to 12.5 or 15 mph can be rather uncomfortable in situations like trying to negotiate making a right turn from an urban dual carriageway, where on the bike I'd pedal hard and be doing 25-30 mph, and mix with the other traffic far more easily.

[techguyone]

Bet your bike doesn't have oversized skateboard wheels like most of these scooters have though does it, I think that's where most of the higher speed safety concerns are coming from, they seem purposefully designed to faceplant you into the nearest convenient bonnet or wall or pavement with very little provocation.

[eldar]

Which would pass the small pothole test unscathed?