Domestic abuse, ABH charge, likely punishment.
Discussion
StuntmanMike said:
It was a sustained attack, he repeatedly punched her, then banged her head off the bedside table, when he let her go, she ran out of the house straight to our house, about a 1/4 mile through an estate in her p.j's in the early hours.
TBH her face was black and blue, but the size of the lumps on her head was what scared us.
The police say he claimed self defense FFS.
What he will now do is start to convince the wife that it was actually her fault , she made him do it, she knew she was pushing him and knew what would happen if she continued to argue with him.TBH her face was black and blue, but the size of the lumps on her head was what scared us.
The police say he claimed self defense FFS.
And what's worse , the poor woman will start to question herself and wonder why she didn't do anything different to avoid the attack.
He will have been controlling every aspect of her life , including vetting her friends , and getting her to stop seeing the troublemakers, he will have convinced her that her closest friends were the problem !
These b
ds seem to be all the same , poor lass.The police seem to be very well trained in dealing with and helping the victims , Hampshire police were truly excellent for us , but the CPS just seem unable to back them.
100's of police hours lost, 2 call outs for the dog units , a call for the police helicopter , so many hours and resources just wasted.
Busa mav said:
What he will now do is start to convince the wife that it was actually her fault , she made him do it, she knew she was pushing him and knew what would happen if she continued to argue with him.
And what's worse , the poor woman will start to question herself and wonder why she didn't do anything different to avoid the attack.
He will have been controlling every aspect of her life , including vetting her friends , and getting her to stop seeing the troublemakers, he will have convinced her that her closest friends were the problem !
And what's worse , the poor woman will start to question herself and wonder why she didn't do anything different to avoid the attack.
He will have been controlling every aspect of her life , including vetting her friends , and getting her to stop seeing the troublemakers, he will have convinced her that her closest friends were the problem !
Some people will never leave their partner, even if they do this regularly.
carreauchompeur said:
A decent amount of prison time one would hope.
In my experience if its a first offence he wouldn't even get time for gbh. Zero likelihood for a first time abh offence. Sorry, I know it sucks, but it's best to be prepared for the utter ineptitude of the criminal justice system before it goes to trial.Talking as somebody who deals with this very often professionally, it is very unlikely this is the first time she has suffered at the hands of this guy and has likely taken him back before.
Did the police complete a DASH assessment? If she doesn't know it would be worth finding out and then finding out what her score was. I would also suggest contacting a local domestic abuse support worker, it may be called something different but a quick Google will give you a number as she would likely benefit from some independent support and they may enrol her on the freedom programme.
I assume there are no children in the relationship?
in answer to your question if he pleads guilty and is remorseful, attends anger management (you get the idea) a community order or a suspended sentence.
Did the police complete a DASH assessment? If she doesn't know it would be worth finding out and then finding out what her score was. I would also suggest contacting a local domestic abuse support worker, it may be called something different but a quick Google will give you a number as she would likely benefit from some independent support and they may enrol her on the freedom programme.
I assume there are no children in the relationship?
in answer to your question if he pleads guilty and is remorseful, attends anger management (you get the idea) a community order or a suspended sentence.
They have two children and have been together 20 years.
Yes he's done it before, nowhere near on this scale.
She has always had him back, we don't get involved because she always goes back, however this time it was like a slap in the face.
We have told her we will support and help her, but if she has him back she is on here own as we do not want him in our life.
Yes he's done it before, nowhere near on this scale.
She has always had him back, we don't get involved because she always goes back, however this time it was like a slap in the face.
We have told her we will support and help her, but if she has him back she is on here own as we do not want him in our life.
StuntmanMike said:
They have two children and have been together 20 years.
Yes he's done it before, nowhere near on this scale.
She has always had him back, we don't get involved because she always goes back, however this time it was like a slap in the face.
We have told her we will support and help her, but if she has him back she is on here own as we do not want him in our life.
I am guessing the children are under 18? If so I think you need to report the family to children's services. Clearly your friend is the victim in this but the children will have suffered as what you know will be 5-10% of what is actually going on.Yes he's done it before, nowhere near on this scale.
She has always had him back, we don't get involved because she always goes back, however this time it was like a slap in the face.
We have told her we will support and help her, but if she has him back she is on here own as we do not want him in our life.
Unless she receives counselling it is highly likely she will return as it is a pattern of the abuse.
She needs to find out if the Police did a DASH assessment, what her score was and if the family is being referred to MARAC. If she is she will be allocated an IDVA who will be able to help and support her.
Fab32 said:
I am guessing the children are under 18? If so I think you need to report the family to children's services. Clearly your friend is the victim in this but the children will have suffered as what you know will be 5-10% of what is actually going on.
Unless she receives counselling it is highly likely she will return as it is a pattern of the abuse.
She needs to find out if the Police did a DASH assessment, what her score was and if the family is being referred to MARAC. If she is she will be allocated an IDVA who will be able to help and support her.
Risk assessment and DASH should have been completed as a matter of courseUnless she receives counselling it is highly likely she will return as it is a pattern of the abuse.
She needs to find out if the Police did a DASH assessment, what her score was and if the family is being referred to MARAC. If she is she will be allocated an IDVA who will be able to help and support her.
Bigends said:
Risk assessment and DASH should have been completed as a matter of course
Before I moved off the shift I used to do the DASH before anything else. Gives you a picture of what's been going on for the MG11 and also if she refuses to give a statement and boots you out it covers your arse as you can at least try and do something to 'reduce the risk'. Sadly though even after answering yes to everything she'll pick him up from the nick after being released and we all go round again. Busa mav said:
What he will now do is start to convince the wife that it was actually her fault , she made him do it, she knew she was pushing him and knew what would happen if she continued to argue with him.
And what's worse , the poor woman will start to question herself and wonder why she didn't do anything different to avoid the attack.
He will have been controlling every aspect of her life , including vetting her friends , and getting her to stop seeing the troublemakers, he will have convinced her that her closest friends were the problem !
These bds seem to be all the same , poor lass.
As per the book?And what's worse , the poor woman will start to question herself and wonder why she didn't do anything different to avoid the attack.
He will have been controlling every aspect of her life , including vetting her friends , and getting her to stop seeing the troublemakers, he will have convinced her that her closest friends were the problem !
These b
ds seem to be all the same , poor lass.LucreLout said:
In my experience if its a first offence he wouldn't even get time for gbh. Zero likelihood for a first time abh offence. Sorry, I know it sucks, but it's best to be prepared for the utter ineptitude of the criminal justice system before it goes to trial.
The highest amount / proportion of people in prison is for violent crime. There simply isn't room for everyone who commits their first ABH. I think the CJS is pretty good when it comes to domestic violence, overall.
La Liga said:
There simply isn't room for everyone who commits their first ABH.
Land value and wages in rural Poland are cheap. Build some mega jails out there for anyone serving more than 10 years and we'd soon have space onshore for proper deterrent level punishments for violent offenders.GBH should mean a mandatory minimum 3 years in jail. ABH one. Minimum. Or else it isn't justice, whatever the reformers of cps say.
La Liga said:
he highest amount / proportion of people in prison is for violent crime. There simply isn't room for everyone who commits their first ABH.
I think the CJS is pretty good when it comes to domestic violence, overall.
Apart from when they send a file upgrade to the OIC 5 days after it was due in as happened to my OH yesterday. She contacted them saying 'this was due 5 days ago but you only sent it today?'I think the CJS is pretty good when it comes to domestic violence, overall.
Reply 'well you need to prioritise your workload officer'
They could try that too perhaps!
The system is swamped, no one can cope and this bloke isn't going to prison.
La Liga said:
he highest amount / proportion of people in prison is for violent crime. There simply isn't room for everyone who commits their first ABH.
Does that mean that if the OP went to see the perpetrator and beat seven bells out of him he would get off with a suspended sentence? I rather doubt it.3 years is what the guy who beat the fk out of my sister in law got.
He was hoping we wouldnt turn up for court to give evidence and only changed his plea to guilty once he was informed that we were in teh court house and ready to give evidence.
Turd, I hope he got reamed with a broken bottle when he was inside.
k out of my sister in law got.He was hoping we wouldnt turn up for court to give evidence and only changed his plea to guilty once he was informed that we were in teh court house and ready to give evidence.
Turd, I hope he got reamed with a broken bottle when he was inside.
Dr Jekyll said:
La Liga said:
he highest amount / proportion of people in prison is for violent crime. There simply isn't room for everyone who commits their first ABH.
Does that mean that if the OP went to see the perpetrator and beat seven bells out of him he would get off with a suspended sentence? I rather doubt it.Greendubber said:
Apart from when they send a file upgrade to the OIC 5 days after it was due in as happened to my OH yesterday. She contacted them saying 'this was due 5 days ago but you only sent it today?'
Reply 'well you need to prioritise your workload officer'
They could try that too perhaps!
The system is swamped, no one can cope and this bloke isn't going to prison.
It's far from perfect Reply 'well you need to prioritise your workload officer'
They could try that too perhaps!
The system is swamped, no one can cope and this bloke isn't going to prison.
The people who build files have been cut rather to the bone.
LucreLout said:
Land value and wages in rural Poland are cheap. Build some mega jails out there for anyone serving more than 10 years and we'd soon have space onshore for proper deterrent level punishments for violent offenders.
GBH should mean a mandatory minimum 3 years in jail. ABH one. Minimum. Or else it isn't justice, whatever the reformers of cps say.
I'd go even cheaper, put come £££ into Africa's economy! GBH should mean a mandatory minimum 3 years in jail. ABH one. Minimum. Or else it isn't justice, whatever the reformers of cps say.
LucreLout said:
La Liga said:
There simply isn't room for everyone who commits their first ABH.
Land value and wages in rural Poland are cheap. Build some mega jails out there for anyone serving more than 10 years and we'd soon have space onshore for proper deterrent level punishments for violent offenders.GBH should mean a mandatory minimum 3 years in jail. ABH one. Minimum. Or else it isn't justice, whatever the reformers of cps say.
We'd have plenty more space in our prisons if we didn't fill them up with people who suffer from mental illness and or drug addiction.
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