Builder charged too much for extra materials ?

[dickymint]

RYH64E said:

MGTS said:

Perhaps ask to see an invoice for the lintel?

And Make sure you see an INVOICE not a QUOTATION (there is likely to be a massive difference)

What the lintel cost the builder is irrelevant, all that matters is what the customer agreed to pay for it. The time for negotiation is before the job's done, not after.

Not if you subsequently find out you've been misled and overcharged is it?

edited to add: the builder tried to justify the extra by saying it was a sooper dooper heavy duty concrete! Come on, he tried it on and got caught out.

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 13th December 09:44

[Spudler]

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

MGTS said:

Perhaps ask to see an invoice for the lintel?

And Make sure you see an INVOICE not a QUOTATION (there is likely to be a massive difference)

What the lintel cost the builder is irrelevant, all that matters is what the customer agreed to pay for it. The time for negotiation is before the job's done, not after.

Not if you subsequently find out you've been misled and overcharged is it?

edited to add: the builder tried to justify the extra by saying it was a sooper dooper heavy duty concrete! Come on, he tried it on and got caught out.

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 13th December 09:44

And it still doesn't matter.
The OP accepted the additional quote and gave the go ahead.

[WinstonWolf]

Spudler said:

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

MGTS said:

Perhaps ask to see an invoice for the lintel?

And Make sure you see an INVOICE not a QUOTATION (there is likely to be a massive difference)

What the lintel cost the builder is irrelevant, all that matters is what the customer agreed to pay for it. The time for negotiation is before the job's done, not after.

Not if you subsequently find out you've been misled and overcharged is it?

edited to add: the builder tried to justify the extra by saying it was a sooper dooper heavy duty concrete! Come on, he tried it on and got caught out.

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 13th December 09:44

And it still doesn't matter.
The OP accepted the additional quote and gave the go ahead.

people spend thousands on speaker cable that costs peanuts to produce. The builder is a good salesman as he's made the lintel worth £180

[RYH64E]

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

MGTS said:

Perhaps ask to see an invoice for the lintel?

And Make sure you see an INVOICE not a QUOTATION (there is likely to be a massive difference)

What the lintel cost the builder is irrelevant, all that matters is what the customer agreed to pay for it. The time for negotiation is before the job's done, not after.

Not if you subsequently find out you've been misled and overcharged is it?

edited to add: the builder tried to justify the extra by saying it was a sooper dooper heavy duty concrete! Come on, he tried it on and got caught out.

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 13th December 09:44

The OP hasn't been misled or overcharged, the builder quoted a price, he accepted, and the builder has charged the agreed price. If the builder had quoted £100 and charged £200 that would have been misleading, but charging the agreed price (even if the price is high) is perfectly legit.

[dickymint]

WinstonWolf said:

Spudler said:

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

MGTS said:

Perhaps ask to see an invoice for the lintel?

And Make sure you see an INVOICE not a QUOTATION (there is likely to be a massive difference)

What the lintel cost the builder is irrelevant, all that matters is what the customer agreed to pay for it. The time for negotiation is before the job's done, not after.

Not if you subsequently find out you've been misled and overcharged is it?

edited to add: the builder tried to justify the extra by saying it was a sooper dooper heavy duty concrete! Come on, he tried it on and got caught out.

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 13th December 09:44

And it still doesn't matter.
The OP accepted the additional quote and gave the go ahead.

people spend thousands on speaker cable that costs peanuts to produce. The builder is a good salesman as he's made the lintel worth £180

My old man always told me 'a good salesman is a cheat and a liar'

If it were me and I found out before I'd paid him the builder would have to take me to court before I paid the entire extra amount. If I had paid up before I'd found out I would suck it up never use him again and spread the word!

Guess I'm lucky to live in a large rural village with plenty of local trades (most of which I know personally) This sort of thing rarely happens as word of mouth is a powerful tool!!

[RYH64E]

dickymint said:

If it were me and I found out before I'd paid him the builder would have to take me to court before I paid the entire extra amount.

If you've agreed to pay you should pay, if you've agreed to pay too much then more fool you, your mistake, you should have checked before committing.

A deal's a deal imo, even a bad one.

[WinstonWolf]

dickymint said:

WinstonWolf said:

Spudler said:

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

MGTS said:

Perhaps ask to see an invoice for the lintel?

And Make sure you see an INVOICE not a QUOTATION (there is likely to be a massive difference)

What the lintel cost the builder is irrelevant, all that matters is what the customer agreed to pay for it. The time for negotiation is before the job's done, not after.

Not if you subsequently find out you've been misled and overcharged is it?

edited to add: the builder tried to justify the extra by saying it was a sooper dooper heavy duty concrete! Come on, he tried it on and got caught out.

Edited by dickymint on Sunday 13th December 09:44

And it still doesn't matter.
The OP accepted the additional quote and gave the go ahead.

people spend thousands on speaker cable that costs peanuts to produce. The builder is a good salesman as he's made the lintel worth £180

My old man always told me 'a good salesman is a cheat and a liar'

If it were me and I found out before I'd paid him the builder would have to take me to court before I paid the entire extra amount. If I had paid up before I'd found out I would suck it up never use him again and spread the word!

Guess I'm lucky to live in a large rural village with plenty of local trades (most of which I know personally) This sort of thing rarely happens as word of mouth is a powerful tool!!

Why do you think prostitutes charge up front, the value of the solution is far higher at the point of sale

[dickymint]

RYH64E said:

dickymint said:

If it were me and I found out before I'd paid him the builder would have to take me to court before I paid the entire extra amount.

If you've agreed to pay you should pay, if you've agreed to pay too much then more fool you, your mistake, you should have checked before committing.

A deal's a deal imo, even a bad one.

Personally I would've known before the initial quote what was involved and what type of lintel was required. And certainly would have laughed in his face at the extra price for what arguably is the builders fault for not finding out in the beginning.

However would you be happy to do this to your Granny faced with a gaping whole in Her house that needs sorting out immediately? I'm fairly certain there are laws against this? OK the figures involved are 'small' but they are large as a percentage....... stick a nought on both sides of the equation then tell me it's ok.

[dickymint]

WinstonWolf said:

Why do you think prostitutes charge up front, the value of the solution is far higher at the point of sale

At least you get the 'extras' list up front ........... so I'm told

[RYH64E]

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

dickymint said:

If it were me and I found out before I'd paid him the builder would have to take me to court before I paid the entire extra amount.

If you've agreed to pay you should pay, if you've agreed to pay too much then more fool you, your mistake, you should have checked before committing.

A deal's a deal imo, even a bad one.

Personally I would've known before the initial quote what was involved and what type of lintel was required. And certainly would have laughed in his face at the extra price for what arguably is the builders fault for not finding out in the beginning.

However would you be happy to do this to your Granny faced with a gaping whole in Her house that needs sorting out immediately? I'm fairly certain there are laws against this? OK the figures involved are 'small' but they are large as a percentage....... stick a nought on both sides of the equation then tell me it's ok.

There are no little old ladies involved in this tale, there's the OP, who has shown that he's perfectly able to check the price of a lintel but chose to do so after agreeing a price, and yourself who apparently thinks it OK to refuse to pay the agreed price for a job that's been done to an acceptable standard. As I've said before, the time to negotiate the price is before your agree it, not after.

[dickymint]

RYH64E said:

dickymint said:

RYH64E said:

dickymint said:

If it were me and I found out before I'd paid him the builder would have to take me to court before I paid the entire extra amount.

If you've agreed to pay you should pay, if you've agreed to pay too much then more fool you, your mistake, you should have checked before committing.

A deal's a deal imo, even a bad one.

Personally I would've known before the initial quote what was involved and what type of lintel was required. And certainly would have laughed in his face at the extra price for what arguably is the builders fault for not finding out in the beginning.



However would you be happy to do this to your Granny faced with a gaping whole in Her house that needs sorting out immediately? I'm fairly certain there are laws against this? OK the figures involved are 'small' but they are large as a percentage....... stick a nought on both sides of the equation then tell me it's ok.

There are no little old ladies involved in this tale, there's the OP, who has shown that he's perfectly able to check the price of a lintel but chose to do so after agreeing a price, and yourself who apparently thinks it OK to refuse to pay the agreed price for a job that's been done to an acceptable standard. As I've said before, the time to negotiate the price is before your agree it, not after.

You didn't answer the question did you! Whether the OP is Richard Branson or your Granny is it right or wrong? The builder clearly over charged by a big margin.

[Mandat]

dickymint said:

You didn't answer the question did you! Whether the OP is Richard Branson or your Granny is it right or wrong? The builder clearly over charged by a big margin.

No. There is no overcharging. The builder charged exactly what was agreed.

[dickymint]

Mandat said:

dickymint said:

You didn't answer the question did you! Whether the OP is Richard Branson or your Granny is it right or wrong? The builder clearly over charged by a big margin.

No. There is no overcharging. The builder charged exactly what was agreed.

I give up! I totally fking give up!! Have a lovely Christmas and prosperous new year and hope you never complain the next time you get turned over

[rs4al]

So I trusted the builder to give me a decent price on the materials, not a 100% increase, I'm not a builder so how do I know how much a lintel is ?

Oh yes I should of told him when he told me how much it was, wait a minute I'll check online how much they are, he would of told me to get knotted.

When I challenged him, after agreeing he stated that he was using a heavy duty concrete lintel, which in 60mm does not exist, he bullstted me plain and simple.

[eliot]

rs4al said:

Probably doesn't help having my six month old M4 sitting on the drive.....

Indeed - any trade will assess your affordability based on what they see or what they hear.
Speak with a plummy public school accent ? - price can be at least doubled without batting an eylid.
Same for expensive watches, clothes, house etc

[Mandat]

dickymint said:

I give up! I totally fking give up!! Have a lovely Christmas and prosperous new year and hope you never complain the next time you get turned over

I get three quotations from three different builders for some work. I agree and go for the middle quote, and when the works are finished I tell the builder that I'm not paying him the full agreed price because he must have ripped me off and overcharged me, because it could have been done for a cheaper price.

If that's your approach to honouring an agreement, then I hope that you are never one of my clients.

[037]

Question to the OP: can you see the concrete lintel? And what was the total price of the job?

[rs4al]

037 said:

Question to the OP: can you see the concrete lintel? And what was the total price of the job?

Nope before the extra materials it was £830 +vat.

I did see the lintel being installed.

[037]

Did the builder chop out the rotten metal box lintel then install the concrete one within it, on the internal leaf of brickwork?

[rs4al]

Yes, he chopped out the rust put the concrete lintel in and packed with cut bricks to support what was left of the old lintel, then the i.g lintel was installed and bricked up.