Star Wars 7 viewed. Discussions with spoilers.
Discussion
RalphyM said:
Might just be my reading but I thought it was being implied that she is Han and Leia's daughter.
I don't think she is. Han reached out to his son even though he knew he was so evil. Why didn't they reach out to their daughter? And in the flashback she looked old enough to have recognised her parents.
I just cant get over how powerful they made her as well and how so much lightside she is.
I think leia can feel who she is.
Lots of forced looks between Leia and Rey, especially before she leaves at the end. She finishes Hans sentences for him. Was taken and hidden at a young age. Why would the old dude be on the same planet with the key to Luke's location and a potentially powerful Jedi, just massive co-incidence? Potentially more likely watching her for Leia, (I think they mentioned something about an old friend in the titles?). She also, without training, appears stronger than Ren so unless there is a whole new family of non-skywalker jedis that until now haven't been mentioned seems a strong hint to me. Kind of mirroring episode IV.
So my theory, she is younger than Ren (granted doesn't look it in the film). When Han/Leia realised he was going loco she was taken and hidden.
My tuppence worth anyway!
So my theory, she is younger than Ren (granted doesn't look it in the film). When Han/Leia realised he was going loco she was taken and hidden.
My tuppence worth anyway!
RalphyM said:
Lots of forced looks between Leia and Rey, especially before she leaves at the end. She finishes Hans sentences for him. Was taken and hidden at a young age. Why would the old dude be on the same planet with the key to Luke's location and a potentially powerful Jedi, just massive co-incidence? Potentially more likely watching her for Leia, (I think they mentioned something about an old friend in the titles?). She also, without training, appears stronger than Ren so unless there is a whole new family of non-skywalker jedis that until now haven't been mentioned seems a strong hint to me. Kind of mirroring episode IV.
So my theory, she is younger than Ren (granted doesn't look it in the film). When Han/Leia realised he was going loco she was taken and hidden.
My tuppence worth anyway!
I assumed that Rey was Luke's daughter (to be trained by Luke)? and Ren is Leia/Hans son, to be trained up by Snook. I anticipate a light sabre battle in the next film, where Rey will lose, and probably win in the third instalment and Ren realising he's not all bad, echoing the original trilogy. As this film is basically a re-run of Ep IV, this seems likely.So my theory, she is younger than Ren (granted doesn't look it in the film). When Han/Leia realised he was going loco she was taken and hidden.
My tuppence worth anyway!
Seems that the new protagonists don't need much training, though, like Luke, as she already seemed pretty adept at defeating Ren!
chris watton said:
RalphyM said:
Lots of forced looks between Leia and Rey, especially before she leaves at the end. She finishes Hans sentences for him. Was taken and hidden at a young age. Why would the old dude be on the same planet with the key to Luke's location and a potentially powerful Jedi, just massive co-incidence? Potentially more likely watching her for Leia, (I think they mentioned something about an old friend in the titles?). She also, without training, appears stronger than Ren so unless there is a whole new family of non-skywalker jedis that until now haven't been mentioned seems a strong hint to me. Kind of mirroring episode IV.
So my theory, she is younger than Ren (granted doesn't look it in the film). When Han/Leia realised he was going loco she was taken and hidden.
My tuppence worth anyway!
I assumed that Rey was Luke's daughter (to be trained by Luke)? and Ren is Leia/Hans son, to be trained up by Snook. I anticipate a light sabre battle in the next film, where Rey will lose, and probably win in the third instalment and Ren realising he's not all bad, echoing the original trilogy. As this film is basically a re-run of Ep IV, this seems likely.So my theory, she is younger than Ren (granted doesn't look it in the film). When Han/Leia realised he was going loco she was taken and hidden.
My tuppence worth anyway!
Seems that the new protagonists don't need much training, though, like Luke, as she already seemed pretty adept at defeating Ren!
HorneyMX5 said:
She's got to be family of some sort as Luke's LS was calling her. And was there recognition in Luke's eyes at the end? Was he shedding a tear because his daughter/niece and found him?
She also remembered a planet with an island(so not Jakku) and Luke's planet had loads of them.But why did they need a 5 part map with a long line on it,when they had the end point,why not just go straight there and then there would be no ned to wake R2
ukaskew said:
It's only just occurred to me that the trailers were even less revealing than they first appeared (which wasn't a great deal, anyway), the Luke/R2 bit was a proper curveball, given its actual context in the film. Clever.
JJ seems to be getting good with some misleading stuff in his trailers. The last Star Trek trailer had what everyone thought was the Enterprise crashing into the city.I hope they don't take the obvious route with Rey and also that having established how good he can make a Star Wars film that JJ or whoever the next director is, they can get away from the some of the stories reoccuring. Although he did make Khan reappear!!
Loved the practical effects, the only returning character who looked out of place was Leia for me, bit too much botox and frozen face syndrome.
Madness60 said:
ukaskew said:
It's only just occurred to me that the trailers were even less revealing than they first appeared (which wasn't a great deal, anyway), the Luke/R2 bit was a proper curveball, given its actual context in the film. Clever.
JJ seems to be getting good with some misleading stuff in his trailers. The last Star Trek trailer had what everyone thought was the Enterprise crashing into the city.I hope they don't take the obvious route with Rey and also that having established how good he can make a Star Wars film that JJ or whoever the next director is, they can get away from the some of the stories reoccuring. Although he did make Khan reappear!!
Loved the practical effects, the only returning character who looked out of place was Leia for me, bit too much botox and frozen face syndrome.
Had the afternoon off and watched it in a deserted cinema - really didn't expect it to be so empty.
They f
ked it up twice and showed the opening 10 minutes in 3D in the 2D showing which I quite liked so I asked if I could watch the 3D showing and did so.
Amazing how quickly you regress to being a kid when Han and Chewie appear and how you expect, and are pleasantly surprised, when certain things happen - soon as I saw the 3D "death star" projected I though "Admiral Ackbar?" and there he was
Shocked they've killed Han Solo - I deliberately steered clear of anything I thought could ruin the film for me and I genuinely didn't expect that.
Gutted, but at the same time I guess you can't really have an 80 year old bounty hunter in a couple of films time, so in a horribly resigned way it makes sense.
They f
ked it up twice and showed the opening 10 minutes in 3D in the 2D showing which I quite liked so I asked if I could watch the 3D showing and did so.Amazing how quickly you regress to being a kid when Han and Chewie appear and how you expect, and are pleasantly surprised, when certain things happen - soon as I saw the 3D "death star" projected I though "Admiral Ackbar?" and there he was
Shocked they've killed Han Solo - I deliberately steered clear of anything I thought could ruin the film for me and I genuinely didn't expect that.
Gutted, but at the same time I guess you can't really have an 80 year old bounty hunter in a couple of films time, so in a horribly resigned way it makes sense.
Just got back.....
Hmmmmmmm. I wanted to love this film, I really did, and for the most part it does a fine job. However, my overriding emotion is one of mild disappointment. The plot was all a bit too 'convenient', and at times sailed far to close to being a carbon copy of Episode 4.
As mentioned above, the Falcon 'reveal' put a lump in my throat (she is as much one of the characters for me as the human cast), as did the appearance of Luke at the end - credit to Hamill for nailing the 'whole galaxy on his shoulders look' - a Ben Kenobi transformation, albeit far more damaged.
Daisy Ridley owned film for the most part (at least until the final 60 seconds). It will be interesting to see her character develop, particularly as there is a strong hint of the dark side about her. Kylo Ren is B list bad guy - lots of anger for sure - but his training ahead of the next film will need to be significant given that he was handed his arse by Rey. There was a bit too much of the petulant child about him to make him truly menacing. There was an element of redemption with the death of Han Solo, but comparisons to Vader as a true screen villain were not there for me. More of a cut price Dooku I am afraid.
Everyone else seemed to do their job well. Some interesting new characters (General Hux has filled Tarkins' boots in style - for me he was 'the' bad ass of the New Order), and some criminally underused ones - Captain Phasma being the case in point here.. Also great to see the return of Sullust's finest, this time piloting his own fighter
2 Characters I had issues with. Firstly, is Snoke. Poor old Andy Serkis - I'd have much preferred to see him play the character in the flesh. Is he a Sith, or something else? The scenes with Snoke were some of the weaker ones in the film for me.... Let's see what happens moving forward, but he didn't seem believable as a master of evil (again, comparisons with Palpatine are unavoidable).
The second character is Fin. Started off great guns (only he never fired his). His storm trooper with a conscience was well acted, I thought the scene with his mortally wounded comrade gave a depth to storm troopers that has never been seen before. But then it started to un-fold. Why wasn't he removed from service as soon as it was found he hadn't fired a shot at the village massacre? Phasma was on to him, as was Kylo Ren. He then conveniently turns up to rescue Poe, and following that had intimate knowledge of Star Killer base and pretty much everything else the New Order was up to. The start of the film was his first mission, so how would a fresh out of boot camp Storm Trooper know any of this? The Starkiller base battle was enjoyable to watch, but the manner as to how they arrived there was patchy from a plot perspective. The Republic knew that the weapon was powering up, but up until the point it was used did not know of it's existence?
Fin? A potentially very good character misused.
Everything else was present and correct. From the opening shot of the Star Destroyer, through to the dog fights between T-Fighters and the X wings - I was transported back to the first time I saw the attack on the original Death Star. The musical score is great, and I settled back into the Star Wars universe in a way that Lucas never managed with Episode 1-3. For this, the new team need to be given a huge pat on the back. Going old school made everything much more real.
So, overall a great start to a new franchise, albeit (for me) diluted with some issues with plotting in the middle act, the feeling that things were a little bit rushed, and a lead character that the writers seemingly ran out of ideas for once it appeared he was going to be quickly forgiven for being a storm trooper.
And finally, can someone please explain the difference between the Republic and the Resistance?
Hmmmmmmm. I wanted to love this film, I really did, and for the most part it does a fine job. However, my overriding emotion is one of mild disappointment. The plot was all a bit too 'convenient', and at times sailed far to close to being a carbon copy of Episode 4.
As mentioned above, the Falcon 'reveal' put a lump in my throat (she is as much one of the characters for me as the human cast), as did the appearance of Luke at the end - credit to Hamill for nailing the 'whole galaxy on his shoulders look' - a Ben Kenobi transformation, albeit far more damaged.
Daisy Ridley owned film for the most part (at least until the final 60 seconds). It will be interesting to see her character develop, particularly as there is a strong hint of the dark side about her. Kylo Ren is B list bad guy - lots of anger for sure - but his training ahead of the next film will need to be significant given that he was handed his arse by Rey. There was a bit too much of the petulant child about him to make him truly menacing. There was an element of redemption with the death of Han Solo, but comparisons to Vader as a true screen villain were not there for me. More of a cut price Dooku I am afraid.
Everyone else seemed to do their job well. Some interesting new characters (General Hux has filled Tarkins' boots in style - for me he was 'the' bad ass of the New Order), and some criminally underused ones - Captain Phasma being the case in point here.. Also great to see the return of Sullust's finest, this time piloting his own fighter
2 Characters I had issues with. Firstly, is Snoke. Poor old Andy Serkis - I'd have much preferred to see him play the character in the flesh. Is he a Sith, or something else? The scenes with Snoke were some of the weaker ones in the film for me.... Let's see what happens moving forward, but he didn't seem believable as a master of evil (again, comparisons with Palpatine are unavoidable).
The second character is Fin. Started off great guns (only he never fired his). His storm trooper with a conscience was well acted, I thought the scene with his mortally wounded comrade gave a depth to storm troopers that has never been seen before. But then it started to un-fold. Why wasn't he removed from service as soon as it was found he hadn't fired a shot at the village massacre? Phasma was on to him, as was Kylo Ren. He then conveniently turns up to rescue Poe, and following that had intimate knowledge of Star Killer base and pretty much everything else the New Order was up to. The start of the film was his first mission, so how would a fresh out of boot camp Storm Trooper know any of this? The Starkiller base battle was enjoyable to watch, but the manner as to how they arrived there was patchy from a plot perspective. The Republic knew that the weapon was powering up, but up until the point it was used did not know of it's existence?
Fin? A potentially very good character misused.
Everything else was present and correct. From the opening shot of the Star Destroyer, through to the dog fights between T-Fighters and the X wings - I was transported back to the first time I saw the attack on the original Death Star. The musical score is great, and I settled back into the Star Wars universe in a way that Lucas never managed with Episode 1-3. For this, the new team need to be given a huge pat on the back. Going old school made everything much more real.
So, overall a great start to a new franchise, albeit (for me) diluted with some issues with plotting in the middle act, the feeling that things were a little bit rushed, and a lead character that the writers seemingly ran out of ideas for once it appeared he was going to be quickly forgiven for being a storm trooper.
And finally, can someone please explain the difference between the Republic and the Resistance?
Edited by B.J.W on Thursday 17th December 18:45
I absolutely loved it, I avoided absolutely everything about the film, to the point where I wasn't entirely sure of it's name!
Humanisation of the Stormtroopers was great, as was all the references to the previous films, and how the universe is marked by the previous events.
Glad they killed Han personally, he steals the show a bit purely because of who he is, so it was nice he's in them but glad he's gone so we can move on. Also as said he's realistically too old to be doing much more, and in film sense too.
Humanisation of the Stormtroopers was great, as was all the references to the previous films, and how the universe is marked by the previous events.
Glad they killed Han personally, he steals the show a bit purely because of who he is, so it was nice he's in them but glad he's gone so we can move on. Also as said he's realistically too old to be doing much more, and in film sense too.
Phasma was criminally underused, I can only assume there is more of her to come in Ep8. Agree on most of the above points, Snoke definitely the lowest point and Gleeson was bloody awesome as Hux. I last saw him in About Time and Ex Machina, that guy has a seriously bright future ahead of him, quite some range he's got.
gtidriver said:
Theres a few bits in the first trailer that wasn't in the film, Luke talking about i have it,you have it etc and the bit where someone stumbles through wooded area and the three way light sabre lights up. Anyone else notice this????
Those words were taken from return of the jedi. They have edited the order a little (I guess as it is out of context in the trailer vs jedi), but it is the same audioGassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff