Good Estate Car which seats Fold down completely?

[itaa]

yeah I already have the Honda Jazz, and the hrv is based on the jazz so don't think it will be any bigger than it?

So For the civic the passenger seat doesn't recline ?

[AmitG]

itaa said:

yeah I already have the Honda Jazz, and the hrv is based on the jazz so don't think it will be any bigger than it?

So For the civic the passenger seat doesn't recline ?

The HRV is bigger. It's based on a stretched version of the Jazz floorpan AFAIK. Wheelbase is 4 inches longer and the car itself is 3 inches wider.

I'm going to a Honda dealer today to compare the Jazz with the HRV so I'll write back...

I did look at the 2015 Civic (facelift) and specifically checked the folding passenger seat. It didn't have one unfortunately.

[Sargeant Orange]

Krikkit said:

BuzzBravado said:

Legacy has loads of space. I have had all sorts in mine.

Agreed - the 1993-onwards Legacy/Outback have fully flat folding seats. Very capacious.

This. I've just taken an insane amount of stuff down the tip in one go in mine, including a front door, 2 interior doors, a washing machine, lawnmower & 2 rooms worth of carpet. Plus the dog on the passenger seat who wasn't best pleased his space was taken.

Can't help on mpg though, also doing 25mpg in mine

[HocusPocus]

Mercedes e class estate folds flat. Big enough to sleep in and v comfy.

[Superhoop]

Mazda6 rear seats fold completely flat - the hinge mechanism drops the base of the seat downwards as the rear part of the seat folds forwards.

[itaa]

AmitG said:

The HRV is bigger. It's based on a stretched version of the Jazz floorpan AFAIK. Wheelbase is 4 inches longer and the car itself is 3 inches wider.

I'm going to a Honda dealer today to compare the Jazz with the HRV so I'll write back...

I did look at the 2015 Civic (facelift) and specifically checked the folding passenger seat. It didn't have one unfortunately.

What a shame dat 75mpg was just great for it,
do write back when you see the HRV

[AmitG]

itaa said:

AmitG said:

The HRV is bigger. It's based on a stretched version of the Jazz floorpan AFAIK. Wheelbase is 4 inches longer and the car itself is 3 inches wider.

I'm going to a Honda dealer today to compare the Jazz with the HRV so I'll write back...

I did look at the 2015 Civic (facelift) and specifically checked the folding passenger seat. It didn't have one unfortunately.

What a shame dat 75mpg was just great for it,
do write back when you see the HRV

Had a good look today.

Both HRV and Jazz have fold-flat front passenger seat.

HRV boot is deeper by about 10cm (160cm versus 150cm with rear seats down), which makes sense given the longer wheelbase. Other boot dimensions are basically identical. The Jazz boot space may be slightly taller but I don't think there's much in it.

I think you can get the HRV with the same diesel engine in the Civic, so fuel economy on that should be good...Jazz is petrol only.

The new Jazz is actually quite nice. I am going to try and test drive both cars in the next few weeks.

[jayemm89]

The Citroen C5 has plenty of room and the seats fold flat. I believe the passenger seat can also be folded down too.

The older Peugeot 407 did the same (as it's basically the same car) and I presume the newer 508 does too.

[itaa]

AmitG said:

Had a good look today.

Both HRV and Jazz have fold-flat front passenger seat.

HRV boot is deeper by about 10cm (160cm versus 150cm with rear seats down), which makes sense given the longer wheelbase. Other boot dimensions are basically identical. The Jazz boot space may be slightly taller but I don't think there's much in it.

I think you can get the HRV with the same diesel engine in the Civic, so fuel economy on that should be good...Jazz is petrol only.

The new Jazz is actually quite nice. I am going to try and test drive both cars in the next few weeks.

Thanks for letting know, that's what I already thought the the hrv in the inside space is more or less the same as jazz only its made to look beefier. Not much point choosing the diesel engine when the jazz already returns like 55mpg and the bonus is you have a nice Petrol engine without any future diesel engine problems.

[patmahe]

We have a 2004 Avensis tourer (estate) load area is large and completely flat with rear seats folded. Depending how often you change configuration, front passenger seat may be tedious to raise/lower as its a rachet system with no quick fold system and I'm not sure on its full range of travel as I've never needed it. Car was great during recent house move though.

[itaa]

patmahe said:

We have a 2004 Avensis tourer (estate) load area is large and completely flat with rear seats folded. Depending how often you change configuration, front passenger seat may be tedious to raise/lower as its a rachet system with no quick fold system and I'm not sure on its full range of travel as I've never needed it. Car was great during recent house move though.

are you sure that the seats fold flat? because I went to testdrive 2 of the avensis last year and I checked the seats- they did not folded completely flat!

[rob.e]

Superb estate:


308 SW:


kia ceed sportwagon:


how important is the flat floor thing? I wouldn't want to drive something st just 'cos it had a flat boot floor. you could always put a sheet of ply in there for when it's being used as a wagon? good idea too to keep it clean maybe? Or just unbolt the rear seats and take them out when its in "van mode"?

[rob.e]

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/living-with-...

[itaa]

Bumps bumps.. the new octavia is rather nice indeed, we have 1 as company car in family but.. I wouldn't really say it's really that big. Sitting inside it you feel ok, but I wouldn't say it feels as super spacious as they say.

Also I'm looking for 4-7 years old car where it has already suffered really large part of its value drop.

Edited by itaa on Sunday 7th February 01:08

[AmitG]

Look for a used Citroen Picasso (the current model). They have big depreciation and on the face of it will do what you need.

I know you said nothing French, but IMHO they are well built these days. I say this as the owner of possibly the most complex French car on sale today

[itaa]

AmitG said:

Look for a used Citroen Picasso (the current model). They have big depreciation and on the face of it will do what you need.

I know you said nothing French, but IMHO they are well built these days. I say this as the owner of possibly the most complex French car on sale today

I would rather drag a trailer behind me than drive another french miracle! ( I do not believe any amount of advertising and praising how ''good they are'' will change the fact that they are truly unreliable crap cars which are only maybe good when new and you got warranty on them)
Btw I already got a large minivan which I use for hauling stuff ( Chrysler!) with 54k miles on it in pretty perfect condition 2owner car, and my honda with 200k miles on it feels much more dependable and doesn't costs nearly as much to keep on road as the chrysler even with 4x less miles, I could even imagine what I will get with french crap....
No thanks.

Edited by itaa on Sunday 7th February 19:28