Pot head drivers

[PAULJ5555]

Paul Dishman said:

As I understand it, for cannabis there is a low limit, below which the driver won't be prosecuted.

From what i remember this low limit is so low its pointless.
The problem is how would your average pot head know when your under the limit, 3 days, 10 days, 1 month, its not like waiting a few extra hours after drinking.

[anonymous-user]

Paul Dishman said:

RogerDodger said:

Paul Dishman said:

Its the law for a good reason. I've dealt with enough people with serious mental health problems during my career not to be as sanguine as you.

Sorry, but I totally disagree with this law. This law is also the reason that all the kids can buy now is superskunk.

Prohibition has always failed, causes untold misery and an epic % of crime- organised and petty.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree

So you dont prescribe to the argument that the law creates a demand for weed that is high in THC and low in CBD, the same strains that have been shown to be worse for mental health than normal strains

[esxste]

Paul Dishman said:

Its the law for a good reason. I've dealt with enough people with serious mental health problems during my career not to be as sanguine as you.

Do you know if the cannabis caused the mental health problems, or the mental health problems caused the cannabis consumption.

Correlation is not the same as causation.

I haven't looked to deeply into it, but I know if I did I'd find half a dozen "studies" saying cannabis is good, and another 6 saying its the worse thing ever.

I don't recall seeing many news reports saying cannabis was a factor in road accidents, but that could be just cognitive bias.

I'm also not sure that punishing a driver for driving 4 days after smoking a joint is good use of police resources. I'd much prefer them to deal with the numpties that take no-notice of road signs, MLM's etc.

[PAULJ5555]

anonymous said:

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[Paul Dishman]

esxste said:

Paul Dishman said:

Its the law for a good reason. I've dealt with enough people with serious mental health problems during my career not to be as sanguine as you.

Do you know if the cannabis caused the mental health problems, or the mental health problems caused the cannabis consumption.

Correlation is not the same as causation.

I haven't looked to deeply into it, but I know if I did I'd find half a dozen "studies" saying cannabis is good, and another 6 saying its the worse thing ever.

I don't recall seeing many news reports saying cannabis was a factor in road accidents, but that could be just cognitive bias.

I'm also not sure that punishing a driver for driving 4 days after smoking a joint is good use of police resources. I'd much prefer them to deal with the numpties that take no-notice of road signs, MLM's etc.

Give me some credit, I qualified as a pharmacist in 1976. I known that correlation doesn't equal causation, but over the years I've seen
too many patients on methadone, having started on pot. too many pot smoking youngsters taking benzodiazepines, too many patients smoking pot and then having social problems and wasting their lives to consider that cannabis is some sort of benign herb.

[wst]

Paul Dishman said:

Give me some credit, I qualified as a pharmacist in 1976. I known that correlation doesn't equal causation, but over the years I've seen
too many patients on methadone, having started on pot. too many pot smoking youngsters taking benzodiazepines, too many patients smoking pot and then having social problems and wasting their lives to consider that cannabis is some sort of benign herb.

Selection bias. You don't have statistical proof to back up your assumption. I see too many people drinking water and then dying at the end of their lives, but... oh.

You need accurate statistics of this stuff to make an informed opinion. There's a woeful lack of them because at the moment, doing a proper study on drug use is a good way to have to struggle for funding.

[Paul Dishman]

wst said:

election bias. You don't have statistical proof to back up your assumption. I see too many people drinking water and then dying at the end of their lives, but... oh.

You need accurate statistics of this stuff to make an informed opinion. There's a woeful lack of them because at the moment, doing a proper study on drug use is a good way to have to struggle for funding.

I've made no claim beyond recounting my experiences. As I've made my point, I don't intend to discuss this any further.

[Jdjd1]

I'm guessing a drug test is issued if the car or occupants smell of cannabis,

Unfortunently the stuff these days generally stinks, So unless the clever guy being stopped is using Mylar bags the copper is going to get a whiff if they open the car doors even if it's just "stashed" somewhere.

Do all accidents attended by police now involve a drug test like police do with alcohol as standard?

And weed is being grown on all your streets I am 100% sure, It's a cash crop for the masses an easy £1000 a plant on an 8week cycle of done properly, Doesn't matter how many plants you got really, If you keep to your story and say "personal" constantly you will get a slap on the wrist. Doesn't matter what PC plod thinks or his mates it's what they can prove and frankly I know plenty of people who could roll an ounce joint in the interview room if given the chance, And with a habit like that it's hard to argue

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 15:03

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 15:03

[pc.iow]

Paul Dishman said:

esxste said:

Paul Dishman said:

Its the law for a good reason. I've dealt with enough people with serious mental health problems during my career not to be as sanguine as you.

Do you know if the cannabis caused the mental health problems, or the mental health problems caused the cannabis consumption.

Correlation is not the same as causation.

I haven't looked to deeply into it, but I know if I did I'd find half a dozen "studies" saying cannabis is good, and another 6 saying its the worse thing ever.

I don't recall seeing many news reports saying cannabis was a factor in road accidents, but that could be just cognitive bias.

I'm also not sure that punishing a driver for driving 4 days after smoking a joint is good use of police resources. I'd much prefer them to deal with the numpties that take no-notice of road signs, MLM's etc.

Give me some credit, I qualified as a pharmacist in 1976. I known that correlation doesn't equal causation, but over the years I've seen
too many patients on methadone, having started on pot. too many pot smoking youngsters taking benzodiazepines, too many patients smoking pot and then having social problems and wasting their lives to consider that cannabis is some sort of benign herb.

I bet they started with alcohol.You know, that legal drug.
Saying they start with pot then end up on smack does absolutely nothing to help get a reasonable debate going. Quiet the opposite actually if you ask me.
If they want to take drugs, they'll take drugs. Its nothing to do with trying pot then thinking, I know, lets wack up some heroine!
Stop with the scare tactics.

[xjay1337]

Paul Dishman said:

Give me some credit, I qualified as a pharmacist in 1976. I known that correlation doesn't equal causation, but over the years I've seen
too many patients on methadone, having started on pot. too many pot smoking youngsters taking benzodiazepines, too many patients smoking pot and then having social problems and wasting their lives to consider that cannabis is some sort of benign herb.

I see more young people drunk than high. What's the difference, really?

[Jdjd1]

Alcohol is the real problem, Not cannabis

Anybody been to A+E over the weekend?

Is it pot heads crashing the system?
Are police spending millions patrolling towns on a weekend to stop potheads causing destruction?

If Alcohol was invented today it'de be classed as a class B drug,

It'll be legal soon, Poland,Spain,Holland all pretty much legal now

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 15:11

[esxste]

Paul Dishman said:

Give me some credit, I qualified as a pharmacist in 1976. I known that correlation doesn't equal causation, but over the years I've seen
too many patients on methadone, having started on pot. too many pot smoking youngsters taking benzodiazepines, too many patients smoking pot and then having social problems and wasting their lives to consider that cannabis is some sort of benign herb.

I assume that you realise that your perspective as a pharmacist is biased by your point of interaction: who you see are those in treatment for drug addiction. 99% of addicts may use or have used cannabis, but they make up perhaps only 0.1% of people who try cannabis.

[PAULJ5555]

Paul Dishman said:

wst said:

election bias. You don't have statistical proof to back up your assumption. I see too many people drinking water and then dying at the end of their lives, but... oh.

You need accurate statistics of this stuff to make an informed opinion. There's a woeful lack of them because at the moment, doing a proper study on drug use is a good way to have to struggle for funding.

I've made no claim beyond recounting my experiences. As I've made my point, I don't intend to discuss this any further.

You dont have to discuss it any further, just dont reply but I can tell you I know loads of people who smoke pot and never went on to harder stuff or have mental health problems, they work in professional jobs and hold everything together. Ok some are lazy and on the dole but I think that is more from their upbringing knowing the parents also.

[PAULJ5555]

Jdjd1 said:

Alcohol is the real problem, Not cannabis

Anybody been to A+E over the weekend?

Is it pot heads crashing the system?
Are police spending millions patrolling towns on a weekend to stop potheads causing destruction?

If Alcohol was invented today it'de be classed as a class B drug,

It'll be legal soon, Poland,Spain,Holland all pretty much legal now

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 15:11

I was supprised last year when I visited Barcelona that they also have smoking coffee shops like Amsterdam. I never heard of them in Spain, everyone just assumes its all going on in Amsterdam.

[pc.iow]

PAULJ5555 said:

Jdjd1 said:

Alcohol is the real problem, Not cannabis

Anybody been to A+E over the weekend?

Is it pot heads crashing the system?
Are police spending millions patrolling towns on a weekend to stop potheads causing destruction?

If Alcohol was invented today it'de be classed as a class B drug,

It'll be legal soon, Poland,Spain,Holland all pretty much legal now

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 15:11

I was supprised last year when I visited Barcelona that they also have smoking coffee shops like Amsterdam. I never heard of them in Spain, everyone just assumes its all going on in Amsterdam.

Also Germany.
The sooner our government get the balls to do as a lot of other country's have done the better.
The amount of tax revenue they'll get is chuffin huge!

[PAULJ5555]

pc.iow said:

Also Germany.
The sooner our government get the balls to do as a lot of other country's have done the better.
The amount of tax revenue they'll get is chuffin huge!

Back on topic - How do Spain and Germany also the USA, Canada handle the driving when sober but its in your system from 2 weeks ago dilema.

[guindilias]

Paul Dishman said:

Give me some credit, I qualified as a pharmacist in 1976. I known that correlation doesn't equal causation, but over the years I've seen
too many patients on methadone, having started on pot. too many pot smoking youngsters taking benzodiazepines, too many patients smoking pot and then having social problems and wasting their lives to consider that cannabis is some sort of benign herb.

Richard Branson is a "Pothead" - he's certainly wasted his life. Yep, just threw it all away, lives under a flyover now.

[anonymous-user]

Paul Dishman said:

RogerDodger said:

Totally agree.

Blinkered "it's the law, so there" opinions are just "yawn"

Its the law for a good reason. I've dealt with enough people with serious mental health problems during my career not to be as sanguine as you.

It's a bad law for no good reason.

Prohibition = serious and organised crime and an unregulated environment for which there will always be demand.

Much better to take the money from criminals and put it into the legitimate economy like some states in the US are benefiting from who've legalised recreational use.

Would that mean an increase in MH issues? Perhaps so. Or do the people who abuse the substance at the greatest risk of developing MH issues already take it? How much are the strains that wouldn't feature if legalised causing issues? Etc etc.

Alcoholics have serious health issues, but economically, they're worth having vs the rest of the population who use alcohol more sensibly along with removing the risks and consequences if it were prohibited.

[Jdjd1]

The UK is already the biggest exporter of legal cannabis in the world

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/...


So the government is already cashing in, Its ok to get other nations citizen's high but not our own!

It'de raise billions in the economy perhaps some of which could be used to repair our garbage road network, Something I feel all PH'ers could get behind

it would cut billions in £'s of profit from organised crime. And let's be honest the black market for cannabis is massive, Ounces trading hands in city's at well over £200, people selling 0.8 grams for £10.
I would wager nationally £50million/day is smoked. I base this on the a study that reports 6.2% of the population smoke cannabis so that's 65million in (2016) / 6.2

That is 10483870 people, Some will smoke less then £10 a day others a lot more, So on that assumption let's x that by £10

10483870 x 10 =

Or in other words a lot of money, Let's say 20% VAT on that + 20% Tax or more = winner



Source: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk...

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 16:24

Edited by Jdjd1 on Friday 9th March 16:25

[anonymous-user]

I’m quite happy that anyone taking any substance that will slow their reaction times when driving or in other drugs increase their risk of serious speeding etc should have their licence taken away.

If anyone has ever lost anyone to a drink or drug driver they’ll tell you the same.

I couldn’t care less if you smoke it legally in another country and return to the uk and get caught. UK law says there’s a limit currently for coke, cannabis and other drugs along with alcohol. Some prescription drugs are also tested with these kits now so people should be checking any genuine medication.

The test detects at the side of the road and you’re then off to the police station where a blood test is taken. This is sent away and tested to see if it’s over or under the limit prescribed.

Obviously if you’re under all is fine and if you’re over then it’s a ban.

Seems to be that the only people who should be worried about this are the people who take illegal drugs or drive when on medication that stayed they shouldn’t. Couldn’t be arsed if you think they should be legal or not. That’s the rules most stick by.

In years gone by that person who hit your vehicle and you swapped details probably went on and on and on to do it again causing people to have increased premiums and everything else that comes with a non fault claim. Now there’s a chance that they’ll get the licence taken away. Not to mention any road deaths that are saved.