Does this belong to any one on here

[mullz]

Adam B said:

For “can’t because of GDPR” they mean “we were so unprepared for GDPR we didnt ask IT for a simple system enhancement to permit history printing with name and address details removed”

Every time they press the button they could have charged punters £20 or more

It's even worse than that, they say they can't supply any details about the car, even with personal details removed as GDPR 100% relates to cars as well as people! Honestly!! Surely a cars history should be with the car

[Ash-UK]

magnum555 said:

If that's what you are thinking then why spend any more time looking into it? This will be in the back of your mind no matter what so why continue to waste everyone's time?

I called to enquire about the history and the clutch reading and then I didn't pursue it. so, how is this wasting any ones time??

[Never you mind]

Ash-UK said:

I called to enquire about the history and the clutch reading and then I didn't pursue it. so, how is this wasting any ones time??

What's the deal about clutch readings? Mine has 19K (Yeah I've lost loads due to the excessive mileage - manly in petrol ) , it's on it first clutch and there is only something like .5% wear. I don't think its a problem on LP cars.

[Ash-UK]

clutch reading is vital on the lp560, if its approaching the 5.6mm - 5.9mm wear rate, then a new clutch is due.
usually good traders factor this in or willing get this replaced.
if you compare the mileage and wear rate it will give a clue as to how the vehicle was driven

[Reeso]

As a heads up / FYI....it's not just the wear rate in mm that you need to pay attention to. There is another rate, or index that is very important and nearly always overlooked.....the Deterioration Index. This index is set when the car first has it's clutch. The value can be any number via the computer calculations (mine was 14k odd. This number should hardly increase/change over the life of the clutch until the wear rate, and the thickness of the plate forces the number higher...if the car is driven well.

However, if the car is driven poorly (left in gear at lights/coming to a stop in-gear etc), then you can find that the mm wear rate looks good/fine/loads left but the Deterioration index goes through the roof causing the same symptoms as a heavily warn clutch (slip).
So be careful what numbers you look at. Try to take both into account if the information is available. The more reading over a time (each year's service) the better. The info isn't strictly provided at services, but you can ask for a full print ;-) Keep the prints in your history file to build up a picture. This help indicate how you have driven your car.

Hope this helps.

[Adam B]

mullz said:

It's even worse than that, they say they can't supply any details about the car, even with personal details removed as GDPR 100% relates to cars as well as people! Honestly!! Surely a cars history should be with the car

Now I've heard it all, I think the chances of a car suing for breach of data privacy are pretty low

From the EU GDPR site
The aim of the GDPR is to protect all EU citizens from privacy and data breaches in today’s data-driven world. Although the key principles of data privacy still hold true to the previous directive, many changes have been proposed to the regulatory policies.

[Larry5.2]

Adam B said:

Now I've heard it all, I think the chances of a car suing for breach of data privacy are pretty low

From the EU GDPR site
The aim of the GDPR is to protect all EU citizens from privacy and data breaches in today’s data-driven world. Although the key principles of data privacy still hold true to the previous directive, many changes have been proposed to the regulatory policies.

My car has a name, and a (rather poor) Youtube channel - surely that makes him a citizen too??

[magnum555]

Ash-UK said:

magnum555 said:

If that's what you are thinking then why spend any more time looking into it? This will be in the back of your mind no matter what so why continue to waste everyone's time?

I called to enquire about the history and the clutch reading and then I didn't pursue it. so, how is this wasting any ones time??

Ash-UK said:

I’ve spoken to Carlo and been exchanging emails and has provided me with what I have asked for.

You initially made your mind up about the history then you've been in contact with Carlo requesting further information and full hd video so you are wasting his time.

Let us know when the car arrives......

[Never you mind]

Ash-UK said:

clutch reading is vital on the lp560, if its approaching the 5.6mm - 5.9mm wear rate, then a new clutch is due.
usually good traders factor this in or willing get this replaced.
if you compare the mileage and wear rate it will give a clue as to how the vehicle was driven

Never thought about any of things you thought of when I bought mine. Just got giddy and bought it. No regrets.

[Ash-UK]

magnum555 said:

You initially made your mind up about the history then you've been in contact with Carlo requesting further information and full hd video so you are wasting his time.

Let us know when the car arrives......

So am I just supposed to hand over 100k just cos it’s a lambo with out checking everything out ? If I ask questions or request info that classes me as time waster ? The history was sketchy but Carlo sent me information to support it all. So next step is to go and view it and check it out for my self,

He is over 300 miles away from me so a video is the next sensible thing

[1mill]

Well agreed!

I can't understand why people are so paranoid about the clutch! it's all about the cost of changing the clutch! what's the point of buying a supercar then? there are more things to worry about with lambos other than the clutch, believe me.... let me name a few from my experience,
-> engine seal leaks? £££
tyres? £££
replacing faulty buttons on dash? £££
kid ripping off your lambo badge, £££
soft top not working ? £££
major service ££££££


rip the hell out of it, because you are not going to keep it longer than the old banger you had previously.



clutch readings are the least of your worries. i have a gallardo, 17k, black spyder 2011. 2.0mm reading.... The max clutch is 6mm. even at 3-4mm, its all enough for all 2 owners after you! i, as well as most lambo owners, sell out after couple of years...


You seriously have to under the fundamental costs....

Petrol:
300£ a month
insurance, £900
tax per year is £550.
servicing £3000 + parts etc... and there is always something else that needs doing, so lets say: £4500

[Superleg48]

1mill said:

Well agreed!

I can't understand why people are so paranoid about the clutch! it's all about the cost of changing the clutch! what's the point of buying a supercar then? there are more things to worry about with lambos other than the clutch, believe me.... let me name a few from my experience,
-> engine seal leaks? £££
tyres? £££
replacing faulty buttons on dash? £££
kid ripping off your lambo badge, £££
soft top not working ? £££
major service ££££££


rip the hell out of it, because you are not going to keep it longer than the old banger you had previously.



clutch readings are the least of your worries. i have a gallardo, 17k, black spyder 2011. 2.0mm reading.... The max clutch is 6mm. even at 3-4mm, its all enough for all 2 owners after you! i, as well as most lambo owners, sell out after couple of years...


You seriously have to under the fundamental costs....

Petrol:
300£ a month
insurance, £900
tax per year is £550.
servicing £3000 + parts etc... and there is always something else that needs doing, so lets say: £4500

Don’t worry everybody. All of the above is rubbish.

[supersport]

Superleg48 said:

1mill said:

Well agreed!

I can't understand why people are so paranoid about the clutch! it's all about the cost of changing the clutch! what's the point of buying a supercar then? there are more things to worry about with lambos other than the clutch, believe me.... let me name a few from my experience,
-> engine seal leaks? £££
tyres? £££
replacing faulty buttons on dash? £££
kid ripping off your lambo badge, £££
soft top not working ? £££
major service ££££££


rip the hell out of it, because you are not going to keep it longer than the old banger you had previously.



clutch readings are the least of your worries. i have a gallardo, 17k, black spyder 2011. 2.0mm reading.... The max clutch is 6mm. even at 3-4mm, its all enough for all 2 owners after you! i, as well as most lambo owners, sell out after couple of years...


You seriously have to under the fundamental costs....

Petrol:
300£ a month
insurance, £900
tax per year is £550.
servicing £3000 + parts etc... and there is always something else that needs doing, so lets say: £4500

Don’t worry everybody. All of the above is rubbish.

Apart from the servicing sounds more than reasonable.

[Never you mind]

Superleg48 said:

1mill said:

Well agreed!

I can't understand why people are so paranoid about the clutch! it's all about the cost of changing the clutch! what's the point of buying a supercar then? there are more things to worry about with lambos other than the clutch, believe me.... let me name a few from my experience,
-> engine seal leaks? £££
tyres? £££
replacing faulty buttons on dash? £££
kid ripping off your lambo badge, £££
soft top not working ? £££
major service ££££££


rip the hell out of it, because you are not going to keep it longer than the old banger you had previously.



clutch readings are the least of your worries. i have a gallardo, 17k, black spyder 2011. 2.0mm reading.... The max clutch is 6mm. even at 3-4mm, its all enough for all 2 owners after you! i, as well as most lambo owners, sell out after couple of years...


You seriously have to under the fundamental costs....

Petrol:
300£ a month
insurance, £900
tax per year is £550.
servicing £3000 + parts etc... and there is always something else that needs doing, so lets say: £4500

Don’t worry everybody. All of the above is rubbish.

Not really. Servicing, petrol, insurance and tax are about right.

Lamborghini ownership isn't cheap but then again if it was everyone would have one.

Just get one bought OP. Clutch life will be the least of your problems

[Larry5.2]

Brakes, tyres and clutch are consumables. If you're spending £300/month on petrol, then you will be replacing all of these.

[Spindoctor]

I’m not sure what £££ is supposed to mean. Yes, it’s easy to pay through the nose, but that’s not unique to these cars. I needed a new cig lighter element unit (I don’t smoke but the old one disappeared on a spirited drive...), phoned a main dealer who said it would cost me £7. Reasonable enough, so I said please post it to me. That’ll be £19 including postage they said. Hmm.

Just to state the obvious, insurance costs are not uniform. I pay far less than the figure quoted above. Some will pay more, some less. And I’ve never paid as much as £3k for a scheduled service, nor should anyone.

[Superleg48]

1mill said:

Well agreed!

I can't understand why people are so paranoid about the clutch! it's all about the cost of changing the clutch! what's the point of buying a supercar then? there are more things to worry about with lambos other than the clutch, believe me.... let me name a few from my experience,
-> engine seal leaks? £££
tyres? £££
replacing faulty buttons on dash? £££
kid ripping off your lambo badge, £££
soft top not working ? £££
major service ££££££


rip the hell out of it, because you are not going to keep it longer than the old banger you had previously.



clutch readings are the least of your worries. i have a gallardo, 17k, black spyder 2011. 2.0mm reading.... The max clutch is 6mm. even at 3-4mm, its all enough for all 2 owners after you! i, as well as most lambo owners, sell out after couple of years...


You seriously have to under the fundamental costs....

Petrol:
300£ a month
insurance, £900
tax per year is £550.
servicing £3000 + parts etc... and there is always something else that needs doing, so lets say: £4500

It’s all rubbish for the following reasons:

Engine Seal Leaks - unlucky but not an inherent problem affecting all cars.
Faulty Buttons - unlucky but not an inherent problem affecting all cars.
Kids ripping off badge - unlucky. Don’t park in Moss Side.
Soft Top not working - unlucky but not an inherent problem affecting all cars, especially if you drive a Coupe.

Making a marque generalisation based on your own experience is rubbish.

Petrol - specific to individual use. It does not necessarily cost £300 per month, or might cost more.
Insurance - specific to individual circumstances. It might cost £900 or it might not.
Tax - about the only thing in the entire thread that is accurate as a general ownership cost for all.
Servicing - chap, you are being ripped off. Never had a bill anything close to those numbers not even for a major 6 year service, from a main dealer as well.

For the above reasons the thrust of the post, highlighting ownership costs as if it were universal, makes it a rubbish post.

[Ash-UK]

my problem isn't the cost of running it, my problem is finding one in pristine condition.

[sa_20v]

Ash-UK said:

my problem isn't the cost of running it, my problem is finding one in pristine condition.

I think you'll struggle TBH. Had mine eight years, it's an eleven year old car. It's had everything it needs but when I dragged her out of the garage this year I found the smallest of oil leaks - pipe tightening didn't work, pipe needed to be replaced, seals needed doing too and then it seized to the oil tank (?!) which needs replacing too - that's probably at least £4k when I get the car back (should find out today) plus a load more for other little things - remember this car has been looked after like a child!

I can see it's difficult to get information out of some dealers - in these situations you need to walk away. However, I would try and find the car you want and then haggle on the things that need doing. Whilst sometimes costly to run these are quite affordable/reliable compared with similarly priced cars of other marques - you can largely ignore depreciation too. Good luck.

[Ash-UK]

sa_20v said:

I think you'll struggle TBH. Had mine eight years, it's an eleven year old car. It's had everything it needs but when I dragged her out of the garage this year I found the smallest of oil leaks - pipe tightening didn't work, pipe needed to be replaced, seals needed doing too and then it seized to the oil tank (?!) which needs replacing too - that's probably at least £4k when I get the car back (should find out today) plus a load more for other little things - remember this car has been looked after like a child!

I can see it's difficult to get information out of some dealers - in these situations you need to walk away. However, I would try and find the car you want and then haggle on the things that need doing. Whilst sometimes costly to run these are quite affordable/reliable compared with similarly priced cars of other marques - you can largely ignore depreciation too. Good luck.

i think your right, and with the all the viewings and findings, this is solid evidence that a clean example does not exist that passes my tests.

for me, bodywork comes first, before people sell it , they do the bodywork on the cheap, and claim original paintwork, but with my trained eye and paint thickness tester proves other wise.

time to start looking at hurracan spyders now, i have more chance of finding one although i hate the look of the rear end. have to compromise