Should a nurse with PhD refer to themselves as a Dr.?
Discussion
OlonMusky said:
wsurfa said:
OlonMusky said:
Just to be clear, I use MD reference there as a professional degree in medicine. I.e. a nurse would be a nurse XYZ and a doctor would be a Dr. XYZ. E.g. "nurse bring me that catheter please, yes I know you have a PhD but I'm a doctor here".
Off topic (ish)Which reminds of similar w
ky doctor behaviour decades ago, a colleague at the time was as a drugs rep talking to a bunch of doctors about an epilepsy medication. One of the drs (in a PH dominate the stairs style) then says 'and just what qualifications do you have to talk to us about this'. TBH not a hugely unreasonable question, but his manner and previous behaviour showed him to be quite a dick.
By chance the lady giving the talk was able to reply "would a PhD in Neuropharmacology suffice?" . The lead dr there pissed himself and said "well that's shut you up"
Made me smile remembering
So a PhD carries much less weight than a doctor who's a doctor.
This discussion actually reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoe24aSvLtw
aaaaand doctor!
scenario8 said:
My Dad’s a very retired engineer. He hates British Gas employees (or similar) being referred to as engineers. My brother is a chartered engineer also. He gives no sts about the same thing. There are far more important matters to him. But I can imagine him being vexed we’re a gas fitter to refer to himself as an engineer in the context of building bridges and the like.
Generally in life I fall into the “don’t worry about it” camp in most topics other people find contentious. This laid back approach to life may in part explain why I’m not chartered in anything.
In some countries Engineer is a protected title like Doctor. ts about the same thing. There are far more important matters to him. But I can imagine him being vexed we’re a gas fitter to refer to himself as an engineer in the context of building bridges and the like.Generally in life I fall into the “don’t worry about it” camp in most topics other people find contentious. This laid back approach to life may in part explain why I’m not chartered in anything.
In the UK an Engineer can design satellites, F1 cars or repair Dishwashers.
IMHO it should be reserved for professional qualifications. Not that it particularly bothers me but I would feel odd calling myself an Engineer out of context, there's nothing wrong with being a Technician, and in my experience they often get paid more anyway.
OlonMusky said:
eharding said:
He's been bang on the money about this thing right from the start.
It wasn't really that difficult not to be right about this thing. There were many real doctors who predicted this the moment it kicked off.eharding said:
Now, go and wash your hands, as the good Doctor advises.
A nurse you mean? And yeas, my parents taught me how to wash hands.If you can point us at public comments from those who you say "predicted this the moment it kicked off" at the time, that would be lovely.
In fact, given that you apparently come from a medical family, you can probably point us to some posts of yours relaying advice on the subject as early as February. You can do that, can you?
Campbell is an expert in his field. I'm happy to listen to his advice. Are you saying that any of it has been wrong?
OlonMusky said:
FredClogs said:
I'd take medical advice from a nurse with a PhD... Wouldn't you?
Depends what medical advice, don't you think?But general medical advice from a nurse is probably worth listeng to and a well educated one more so.
I'll have a PhD pretty shortly and I work in a medical field. While the discipline is somewhat related, I won't be using Dr because it doesn't reflect my role. I also get an impression from the sort of people that use their Dr title in any situation that isn't appropriate or needed.
My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
eharding said:
If you can point us at public comments from those who you say "predicted this the moment it kicked off" at the time, that would be lovely.
OK, no worries. I can do you this favour although for future please do your own research (beyond listening to nurses with PhD). Here's some people who are real experts in this field.http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/01...
Also since you like youtube here's a long interview with a guy who is quoted in the article above (I assumed you like Joe Rogan, hence I used his podcast).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
eharding said:
In fact, given that you apparently come from a medical family, you can probably point us to some posts of yours relaying advice on the subject as early as February. You can do that, can you?
I said I'm from a family of doctors and nurses, I didn't say I'm in any way involved in professional manner. Thanks for proving my point (re average punter and their understanding of written word).eharding said:
Campbell is an expert in his field.
Yep, he's an expert in teaching nurses. eharding said:
I'm happy to listen to his advice.
Which video on how to be a good nurse would you recommend, as this is what he's an expert on. Everything else is just his opinion which he presents calling himself a doctor.FredClogs said:
But general medical advice from a nurse is probably worth listeng to and a well educated one more so.
Even for the simple "wash your hands" and more recently "keep your distance" messages that Campbell has been promoting via his YouTube channel, he deserves to be appointed as a visiting Professor of Nursing at a relevant institution. Doubtless the OP will blow an anal gasket at the prospect.
bluezedd said:
I'll have a PhD pretty shortly and I work in a medical field. While the discipline is somewhat related, I won't be using Dr because it doesn't reflect my role. I also get an impression from the sort of people that use their Dr title in any situation that isn't appropriate or needed.
My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
Absolutely this. 100%My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
OlonMusky said:
Guff
You've clearly got some form of hangup about this chap - given your vehemence about it I'd guess that although you claim to come from a family of medical professionals, you didn't make the grade to become one yourself.As per my first post - if you spent a week watching his videos without bothering to check the provenance, and now you've got some fibreglass up your ring-piece about it, you have only yourself to blame.
If it makes your manifest OCD go way, the Nurse says wash your hands. So go and do it. Muppet.
OlonMusky said:
bluezedd said:
I'll have a PhD pretty shortly and I work in a medical field. While the discipline is somewhat related, I won't be using Dr because it doesn't reflect my role. I also get an impression from the sort of people that use their Dr title in any situation that isn't appropriate or needed.
My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
Absolutely this. 100%My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
ChocolateFrog said:
OlonMusky said:
bluezedd said:
I'll have a PhD pretty shortly and I work in a medical field. While the discipline is somewhat related, I won't be using Dr because it doesn't reflect my role. I also get an impression from the sort of people that use their Dr title in any situation that isn't appropriate or needed.
My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
Absolutely this. 100%My experience is most people who are well established in their field tend to just use their first names when replying to emails anyway. I'll always contact them using their title the first time, but then they nearly always end the email with their first name. To me it comes across like they don't have anything to prove because they are well regarded anyway.
A nurse with a PhD introducing themselves to patients as "Doctor" would be a huge no-no imo, and would make me cringe hard. Makes me think she would stick her hand up claiming to be a doctor on a plane or something in an emergency (no problem if she claims she's a nurse though and is the only option).
The OP is clearly somewhere at the blue end of the autistic spectrum about this.
eharding said:
Whilst that is true, in the case of John Campbell, that simply isn't the case. He's one of the people we should have been listening to, from the start.
The OP is clearly somewhere at the blue end of the autistic spectrum about this.
I didn't read the whole thread properly. If its this John Campbell guy on youtube then I think it might be ok. I had visions of a nurse introducing themselves as "Dr John Smith" to patients.The OP is clearly somewhere at the blue end of the autistic spectrum about this.
As long as he's open with what his actual qualifications are then it's probably not misleading in an educational context.
bluezedd said:
eharding said:
Whilst that is true, in the case of John Campbell, that simply isn't the case. He's one of the people we should have been listening to, from the start.
The OP is clearly somewhere at the blue end of the autistic spectrum about this.
I didn't read the whole thread properly. If its this John Campbell guy on youtube then I think it might be ok. I had visions of a nurse introducing themselves as "Dr John Smith" to patients.The OP is clearly somewhere at the blue end of the autistic spectrum about this.
As long as he's open with what his actual qualifications are then it's probably not misleading in an educational context.
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