Return within 2 hours.

[Smurfsarepeopletoo]

My take on the parking charges, is that land is now at such a premium, that companies dont want to have a massive plot of land, costing them money, for people to park on and then go off elsewhere to use someone elses business.

You also have the cost of maintaining the site, thousands of cars parking there a day, what if someone falls and injures themselves due to the land not being maintained, so where does the money come from to cover maintenance, insurances and such.

Chances are, if parking was made to be free, then the land would be sold for building on.

[mattyprice4004]

It’s dreadfully obvious really - for that time you’re browsing the high street you’re not using the supermarket, so shouldn’t be parked there.

[GroundZero]

mattyprice4004 said:

It’s dreadfully obvious really - for that time you’re browsing the high street you’re not using the supermarket, so shouldn’t be parked there.

Not totally the case to be honest, because many supermarkets when they apply for planning/construction, the local planning board know in many cases that they will impact on the high street, taking their business. So many supermarkets will find that they must provide the option for their shoppers to also go in to the town centre (if the location is such that it can allow that to happen).
So many supermarket car parks come with a condition that they can not have rules to state "customers only".

[vaud]

GroundZero said:

Not totally the case to be honest, because many supermarkets when they apply for planning/construction, the local planning board know in many cases that they will impact on the high street, taking their business. So many supermarkets will find that they must provide the option for their shoppers to also go in to the town centre (if the location is such that it can allow that to happen).
So many supermarket car parks come with a condition that they can not have rules to state "customers only".

When they built a supermarket in one local town (as in it is the centre of the town) and allowed 3 hrs parking, local trade went up. Unsurprisingly the use of the council car parks (not free) went down. People did the "heavy shop" and then ran errands in town. Balance seems to work quite well.

[Volvolover]

Drawweight said:

Our supermarket has recently installed cameras and one of the rules is no return within 2 hours.

Our house and many more in the estate are situated so that it’s quite feasible to go to the supermarket, then go up to the High Street and call back into the supermarket on the way home if you’ve forgotten something.

I understand on overstaying you are depriving the supermarket of the ‘use’ of that space and they can claim as such but what is the justification for the 2 hour rule?

If you are back in the shop shopping you are not depriving them of that space.

I'd have thought its pretty obvious

The supermarket want you to use their carpark for shopping at the supermarket and nowhere else, they aren't providing a community parking service (unless agreed as part of planning permission like our local Tesco for example), the parking restrictions are to try to deter people from using the car park when they aren't inside the supermarket.

[Drawweight]

Volvolover said:

Drawweight said:

Our supermarket has recently installed cameras and one of the rules is no return within 2 hours.

Our house and many more in the estate are situated so that it’s quite feasible to go to the supermarket, then go up to the High Street and call back into the supermarket on the way home if you’ve forgotten something.

I understand on overstaying you are depriving the supermarket of the ‘use’ of that space and they can claim as such but what is the justification for the 2 hour rule?

If you are back in the shop shopping you are not depriving them of that space.

I'd have thought its pretty obvious

The supermarket want you to use their carpark for shopping at the supermarket and nowhere else, they aren't providing a community parking service (unless agreed as part of planning permission like our local Tesco for example), the parking restrictions are to try to deter people from using the car park when they aren't inside the supermarket.

But that's exactly my point.

You're not using the parking space while you're not shopping. You're shopping.

As in my original example it is perfectly feasible to revisit the supermarket within 2 hours and be shopping in said supermarket on both occasions.

[Volvolover]

Drawweight said:

Volvolover said:

Drawweight said:

Our supermarket has recently installed cameras and one of the rules is no return within 2 hours.

Our house and many more in the estate are situated so that it’s quite feasible to go to the supermarket, then go up to the High Street and call back into the supermarket on the way home if you’ve forgotten something.

I understand on overstaying you are depriving the supermarket of the ‘use’ of that space and they can claim as such but what is the justification for the 2 hour rule?

If you are back in the shop shopping you are not depriving them of that space.

I'd have thought its pretty obvious

The supermarket want you to use their carpark for shopping at the supermarket and nowhere else, they aren't providing a community parking service (unless agreed as part of planning permission like our local Tesco for example), the parking restrictions are to try to deter people from using the car park when they aren't inside the supermarket.

But that's exactly my point.

You're not using the parking space while you're not shopping. You're shopping.

As in my original example it is perfectly feasible to revisit the supermarket within 2 hours and be shopping in said supermarket on both occasions.

But that isn’t the intention, the intention is as I said above , and writing a sign or set of rules to cater for your example would be pretty difficult to apply/enforce I’d have thought.

[Psycho Warren]

GroundZero said:

it also forced people to park on any remaining land that would take cars

Nothing forced them to park illegally on private land. Selfish behaviour did that.

[Volvolover]

Drawweight said:

You're not using the parking space while you're not shopping. You're shopping.

Schrodinger's shopper..........

[Tommo87]

Volvolover said:

Drawweight said:

Volvolover said:

Drawweight said:

Our supermarket has recently installed cameras and one of the rules is no return within 2 hours.

Our house and many more in the estate are situated so that it’s quite feasible to go to the supermarket, then go up to the High Street and call back into the supermarket on the way home if you’ve forgotten something.

I understand on overstaying you are depriving the supermarket of the ‘use’ of that space and they can claim as such but what is the justification for the 2 hour rule?

If you are back in the shop shopping you are not depriving them of that space.

I'd have thought its pretty obvious

The supermarket want you to use their carpark for shopping at the supermarket and nowhere else, they aren't providing a community parking service (unless agreed as part of planning permission like our local Tesco for example), the parking restrictions are to try to deter people from using the car park when they aren't inside the supermarket.

But that's exactly my point.

You're not using the parking space while you're not shopping. You're shopping.

As in my original example it is perfectly feasible to revisit the supermarket within 2 hours and be shopping in said supermarket on both occasions.

But that isn’t the intention, the intention is as I said above , and writing a sign or set of rules to cater for your example would be pretty difficult to apply/enforce I’d have thought.

I am not sure that feasible covers the scenario accurately, but its possible someone could forget something and drive all the way back to the supermarket for a single item within 2 hours of their first visit..

However, I would call that scenario a rarity/exception to the norm and certainly wouldn't base the entire car parking model on that alone.


That is the problem with what-if's. They very rarely follow established mainstream human social patterns.

[What if - the person could only carry one item of shopping out to their car at a time, because 5p carrier bags...etc. ]

[carlove]

sparkyhx said:

irrespective of the leave for 2hrs, if its camera based, they will probably be open to the 'double dip' problem where if you return 5 hrs later it will count it as a single visit. and its a bh of a job to argue with the parking company .........lots of occurrence in forums around this

I had this earlier this year, went at about 11am and the queue for the shop was massive so left again, returned at about 4pm with only a small queue so did my shopping.

Got a ticket for overstaying. I made an appeal with no proof at all that I was telling the truth. They replied the next morning with an apology and to tell me the fine was cancelled. I was shocked, I was fully expecting to have a fight on my hands. This was my first interaction with a car park company so probably just got lucky.