Discussion
AceOfHearts said:
I had chance to sit on one yesterday at the NEC bike show, and also had a look around the new V2 Streetfighter based on the same platform. Its definitely a bit more road orientated than the old V2, and I am not 100% convinced to be honest especially at that price (£17k for the S). I have ridden the old V2 on the road and I think it was a damned good sports bike. The guy on the Ducati stand did mention that he doesn't expect the Supersport to remain in the lineup with the new V2 being released.
I also saw the new KTM RC, but only from behind a roped off area so no chance to sit on, but it looked a lot more aggressive and dare I say exotic than the new V2, so it would be interesting to compare them from a riding point of view.
Is it roped off so that the administrators can claim it back when they go bankrupt? I also saw the new KTM RC, but only from behind a roped off area so no chance to sit on, but it looked a lot more aggressive and dare I say exotic than the new V2, so it would be interesting to compare them from a riding point of view.
AceOfHearts said:
Krikkit said:
AceOfHearts said:
I also saw the new KTM RC, but only from behind a roped off area so no chance to sit on, but it looked a lot more aggressive and dare I say exotic than the new V2, so it would be interesting to compare them from a riding point of view.
The RC 8C? That's £40k so it better be pretty specialhttps://www.ktm.com/en-gb/990-rc-r.html
Marc Marquez in action on the V2 at Aspar circuit:
It's unclear if this is on the 2024 or the 2025 - he rode both versions. The articles I've found lean either way but I have a feeling it's the 2025 as an empty track will reward the improvements to the chassis rather than the reduction in power and especially on a tight track like Aspar.
Claudio Domenicali said:
To my surprise, I got a call from Marc at the end of the day. He told me not only that he loved the bike’s quick handling, super comfortable riding position, and "electric" power delivery, but also that he managed to lap in 1m12,2 seconds! My team informed me that this matches the unofficial lap record for the Supersport class!
https://motociclismo.pt/en/marc-marquez-sets-record-with-the-new-panigale-v2/It's unclear if this is on the 2024 or the 2025 - he rode both versions. The articles I've found lean either way but I have a feeling it's the 2025 as an empty track will reward the improvements to the chassis rather than the reduction in power and especially on a tight track like Aspar.
All the photos around show him on the new 2025 model. It also brought this absolute comedy gold: https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/1hysnne/p...
I think the idea is to give greater differentiation between the models. Look at stuff like the 44 teeth review of V2 and V4 pani's in Italy last year - both bikes doing a kind of similar thing and they preferred the V2 on the road given easier power delivery.
However, these are both models with quite extreme riding positions for most middle aged road riders (being honest) - so why not leave the top bike for those that want all the bells and whistles and come up with something that looks like a sportsbike but that is more accessible to a wider range of punters at the price point - with lets be honest, enough road power for most people.
if you need / want more - just buy the big daddy.
Also the V2 was overpowered for supersport and I think quite meaningfully restricted to keep within the rules vs 600cc inline 4's - this also gives Ducati a more approrpriate platform and no doubt the lighter weight of the base is quite helpful in adding peformance without cost for privateer teams vs the old model.
My 2c anyway...
However, these are both models with quite extreme riding positions for most middle aged road riders (being honest) - so why not leave the top bike for those that want all the bells and whistles and come up with something that looks like a sportsbike but that is more accessible to a wider range of punters at the price point - with lets be honest, enough road power for most people.
if you need / want more - just buy the big daddy.
Also the V2 was overpowered for supersport and I think quite meaningfully restricted to keep within the rules vs 600cc inline 4's - this also gives Ducati a more approrpriate platform and no doubt the lighter weight of the base is quite helpful in adding peformance without cost for privateer teams vs the old model.
My 2c anyway...
Think it's a great idea. Any move away from the desmo engines is going to be a good thing for the owners who actually put miles in on them. That major engine service is such a massive bill constantly hanging over owners most sell on before they have to do it, then the second or third owner has to consider an immediate fat bill on a used bike, making the second hand prices problematic too.
That's assuming you are lucky enough to live near a dealer.
I think the bike market as a whole needs a real reset towards what people are actually wanting and buying much in the way the Honda Hornet has done. I think Ducati are being very smart with this, they openly acknowledge the updated Hypermotard is aimed at younger riders, but that the pricing is wrong to actually get younger people onti/into Ducatis.
That's assuming you are lucky enough to live near a dealer.
I think the bike market as a whole needs a real reset towards what people are actually wanting and buying much in the way the Honda Hornet has done. I think Ducati are being very smart with this, they openly acknowledge the updated Hypermotard is aimed at younger riders, but that the pricing is wrong to actually get younger people onti/into Ducatis.
It will be interesting to see how this performs! I'm guessing that's a 450 single desmo?
https://www.ducati.com/ca/en/racing/off-road/desmo...
https://www.ducati.com/ca/en/racing/off-road/desmo...
T6 vanman said:
Good man. My S with full race system is about two weeks away according to the dealer. I hope to ride their demo next week, weather permitting.A taster -
Edited by Skyman on Thursday 13th February 23:01
Skyman said:
Evotech have a nice tail tidy out already. Just hope it does not bring the indicators and plate too close to the upswept exhausts.
Hope you really enjoy the Panigale, A little too extreme for my agid bones, the S/F should see me through into retirement
If the TT is alright out, hopefully it'll be fitted for PDi, think my delivery is mid March
T6 vanman said:
Skyman said:
Evotech have a nice tail tidy out already. Just hope it does not bring the indicators and plate too close to the upswept exhausts.
Hope you really enjoy the Panigale, A little too extreme for my agid bones, the S/F should see me through into retirementIf the TT is alright out, hopefully it'll be fitted for PDi, think my delivery is mid March
Skyman said:
T6 vanman said:
Skyman said:
Evotech have a nice tail tidy out already. Just hope it does not bring the indicators and plate too close to the upswept exhausts.
Hope you really enjoy the Panigale, A little too extreme for my agid bones, the S/F should see me through into retirementIf the TT is alright out, hopefully it'll be fitted for PDi, think my delivery is mid March
It's a pity the engine isn't 10% stronger, 135 would've been spot on but I'm sure I'll cope with the 120+
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