What's the smallest thing that can be seen?
What's the smallest thing that can be seen?
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Jonny671

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208 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Chris71 said:
P9 said:
Jonny671 said:
What about the atoms colliding in CERN? Thats quite small, I think you can see them on certain videos as white sparks..
That's the reaction, not the atoms themselves.
That was my assumption.

I must admit I don't know exactly how they work, but wouldn't anything on an electron microscope be the same? You're seeing a representation of what the electrons bounce off/interactive with/whatever rather than an actual image.
Surely this is still very small? As the atoms are practically invisble so their collision must be quite small too?

mybrainhurts

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274 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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David's Minigland...

Doobs

736 posts

269 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Frankeh said:
The observer effect starts coming into play though. So what you're really looking at might have not been happening had you not looked at it.
Futurama:

Speaker: "And the winner is ... Number 3, in a quantum finish."
Farnsworth: "No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!"

DrTre

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251 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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A compass jellyfish

Frankeh

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204 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Doobs said:
Frankeh said:
The observer effect starts coming into play though. So what you're really looking at might have not been happening had you not looked at it.
Futurama:

Speaker: "And the winner is ... Number 3, in a quantum finish."
Farnsworth: "No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!"
That's the only reason I know about the observer effect biggrin

sleep envy

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268 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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the earth

Chris71

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261 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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caz4213 said:
wavelength of (visible) light is between 400-700nm, so optically (if you could get a magnifier that big I'm not sure) the smallest object you could see would be around 400nm long. I think..
So, given atoms are typically 0.1 nm or so and a water molecule is something like 0.29 nm (according to some random website) we're talking about something that's already pretty huge in particle physics terms! smile

monthefish

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250 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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otolith

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223 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Chris71 said:
caz4213 said:
wavelength of (visible) light is between 400-700nm, so optically (if you could get a magnifier that big I'm not sure) the smallest object you could see would be around 400nm long. I think..
So, given atoms are typically 0.1 nm or so and a water molecule is something like 0.29 nm (according to some random website) we're talking about something that's already pretty huge in particle physics terms! smile
The limit for optical microscopes is usually quoted as 200nm - but still pretty big in those terms.

Ross1988

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202 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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have a quick nosey at this, pretty interesting. Not sure how factually correct it all is. But a nice/daunting perspective to see.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347


Dave200

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239 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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itsnotarace said:
garyhun said:
I'm wanting to be here when we can see down to planck length to see if string theory is correct.
I doubt that would ever be possible, they will find other indirect ways to prove string theory is correct imho
Agreed. I wouldn't hold your breath for that (figuratively, you understand).

Atomic Gibbon

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205 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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OP said:
What's the smallest thing that can be seen?
Your cock! ho ho ho!

Sorry, someone had to say it. This is the Lounge after all. The real answer has been covered above - the smallest thing we can measure is determined by the wavelength of whatever electromagnetic source you're shining at it.

Mark.H

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225 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Atomic Gibbon said:
OP said:
What's the smallest thing that can be seen?
Your cock! ho ho ho!

Sorry, someone had to say it. This is the Lounge after all. The real answer has been covered above - the smallest thing we can measure is determined by the wavelength of whatever electromagnetic source you're shining at it.
nope, its the speck in the rear view mirror that is a Ferrari if you are driving a mapped 335d

TheEnd

15,370 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Atomic Gibbon said:
OP said:
What's the smallest thing that can be seen?
Your cock! ho ho ho!
Bravo! Bravo!

Scotfox

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204 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Posh Spice in profile ?

The Hypno-Toad

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224 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Gordon Brown's sense of shame?

EliseNick

271 posts

200 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Warning, serious answer...

The smallest thing we can see with our eye is around ten micrometers (ten millionths of a metre) across.

The smallest thing we can see with an optical microscope is around 200nm (200 billionths of a metre) across.

The smallest features we can see with a "normal" electron microscope is about 5nm across, if we're lucky. There are constraints on what we can look at - it has to conduct electricity (but we can get round this by gold-plating insulating objects), and the sample needs to be in a vacuum.

The smallest things we can see with a so-called transmission electron microscope are atoms. Here are the rows of atoms in a gold crystal. There are some constraints on what we can look at - the sample must be very thin. Often a section is taken from a larger structure.

We can image atoms more clearly with an Atomic Force Microscope. In this technique, an atomically sharp tip is moved over a sample and "feels" the location of the atoms on the surface. Here is a scanning electron micrograph (see above) of an AFM in action. Here is one result of such an experiment.

Back to willy jokes... :-)



Ace-T

8,202 posts

274 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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spurs-442 said:
Jasandjules said:
The brain of a chav?
Well at least that could be used to prove the "planck" theory hehe

Edited by spurs-442 on Wednesday 2nd June 15:32
rofl


hairykrishna

14,216 posts

222 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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A single ion (i.e. a single charged atom) can be observed directly through a normal optical microscope by confining it in a penning trap and making it fluoresce with a laser. There's a picture in Dehmelts (the chap who first built a proper Penning trap) nobel prize lecture or in his original paper http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureat...

Edited by hairykrishna on Wednesday 2nd June 22:34

NismoGT

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209 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Have atoms actually been observed through a microscope? Or do they still remain theory?