Joyless feminism

[anonymous-user]

andy_s said:

cookie118 said:

If I was at a party with a group of friends and I complimented a female friend on her looks it'd probably be socially appropriate. (Facebook)

If I was at a jobs fair for my company and I told a lady who'd just introduced herself she looked stunning it'd not be appropriate. (Linekedin)

Yeah. like no one ever meets someone through work....

But someone you've just met in a professional capacity? Not really. I mean say your boss is introducing a new employee and the first thing you say is 'you look stunning' or something along those lines? I think most people would think that inappropriate.

It's not simply the fact that it's in a professional situation-it's literally the first thing he said.

St John Smythe said:

cookie118 said:

GCH said:

(Linekedin)

What's Gary Lineker got to do with it?

It's his professional network for ex-footballers.

[Moonhawk]

cookie118 said:

GCH said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229951/Oo...

If I was at a party with a group of friends and I complimented a female friend on her looks it'd probably be socially appropriate. (Facebook)

If I was at a jobs fair for my company and I told a lady who'd just introduced herself she looked stunning it'd not be appropriate. (Linekedin)

Even if a comment of that nature is not considered "appropriate" in that situation - does that make it sexist, misogynistic or indicative of 'sexual objectification' (which were the accusations levelled at the guy).

[andy_s]

cookie118 said:

andy_s said:

cookie118 said:

If I was at a party with a group of friends and I complimented a female friend on her looks it'd probably be socially appropriate. (Facebook)

If I was at a jobs fair for my company and I told a lady who'd just introduced herself she looked stunning it'd not be appropriate. (Linekedin)

Yeah. like no one ever meets someone through work....

But someone you've just met in a professional capacity? Not really. I mean say your boss is introducing a new employee and the first thing you say is 'you look stunning' or something along those lines? I think most people would think that inappropriate.

It's not simply the fact that it's in a professional situation-it's literally the first thing he said.

I know, he was trying it on (I think) and it's slightly inappropriate but nothing OTT and certainly nothing to start tweeting about; and again, do you not think relationships have formed through linkedin or any site for that matter (PHs...) that isn't a strictly dating site?

Anything subtler and he'd be accused of grooming...

[anonymous-user]

Moonhawk said:

Even if a comment of that nature is not considered "appropriate" in that situation - does that make it sexist, misogynistic or indicative of 'sexual objectification' (which were the accusations levelled at the guy).

In order
-sexist-if he would make or has made the same comment to a man then no, otherwise yes. Obviously he will say he would but she will say he wouldn't.
-mysogynistic-It isn't really
-sexual objectification-Yes. The first response to a promising young female barrister is to praise her photo and her appearance-the bit about working together seems like an afterthought and he mentions 'understanding people's skills' but had only mentioned her appearance.

[Moonhawk]

andy_s said:

I know, he was trying it on (I think)....

I doubt it myself. If he is a top legal professional working for a top law firm - he probably comes into contact with attractive, well groomed ladies on a daily basis. Why would he 'try it on' with a random who just added him and could be anywhere in the country/world?

Seems like quite a throw of the dice if he was really after a bit of nookie on the side.

[anonymous-user]

andy_s said:

I know, he was trying it on (I think) and it's slightly inappropriate but nothing OTT and certainly nothing to start tweeting about; and again, do you not think relationships have formed through linkedin or any site for that matter (PHs...) that isn't a strictly dating site?

Anything subtler and he'd be accused of grooming...

I'm not sure that tweeting about it was actually the appropriate response to just that message but it seems like she's received many others like this and decided to publicise it. Had he been the first one I think he would have received a swift rebuke privately and nothing more would have been said. However some women have posted on Twitter where they've told a guy it's not appropriate and they've been called rude and that their prospects with their company are closed.

People might meet through LinkedIn but I'd wager that none or very few of them said something about appearances in the first message.

[joe_90]

Now found to have double standards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229951/Oo...

Mail link, but they love digging into this ste.

[turbobloke]

cookie118 said:

Moonhawk said:

Even if a comment of that nature is not considered "appropriate" in that situation - does that make it sexist, misogynistic or indicative of 'sexual objectification' (which were the accusations levelled at the guy).

In order
-sexist-if he would make or has made the same comment to a man then no, otherwise yes. Obviously he will say he would but she will say he wouldn't.
-mysogynistic-It isn't really
-sexual objectification-Yes. The first response to a promising young female barrister is to praise her photo and her appearance-the bit about working together seems like an afterthought and he mentions 'understanding people's skills' but had only mentioned her appearance.

Personally I wouldn't have sent such a commuinication praising somebody's photo whether it was hot totty flashing flesh or a handsome studmuffin in a tight shirt, but each to their own.

Equally, if I ever receive such a message, I won't disseminate my over-reaction via Twitter. For one thing, I don't twit.

Also in order
-how is a heterosexual male going to be in a position to make the same sort of comment to a man, and whether it's about photo quality or personal appearance makes little difference in that regard
-misogyny has nothing to do with it, it's hardly hatred of women at play here and no amount of feminist victim reasoning by assertion can alter that
-sexual objectification from a photo of a neat hair-do and not too bad make-up is possible, but it looks more like extrapolation by her beagleness when straining to overstate her case.

This is a chap who did his courting in a previous bygone era when a compliment was almost certain to get him appreciated rather than vilified; he's aware of the world changing around him and acknowledges that in his clumsy way and wording; but he forgets the implications of those changes and commits a faux pas.

If he had done his courting in a much later era, he may have experienced a chat-up line in a crowded low-lit bar, from a woman, which involved shoving his hand up her skirt with the comment 'I see you shaved today, so did I'. Maybe he would have offered his business card in return, due in part to the levels of misandry and objectification in play.

The response to his message was laden with feminospeak at such a level that it would win a bullst bingo tournament outright. It was overly self-indulgent and as others have indicated, possibly punted as a career move...which may or may not work. She should be OK for a role with the BBC or The Guardian if that's what she wants. And for the record, given that comprehension 'misunderstandings' can arise on PH both unwittingly and deliberately these days, there is nothing in this post that condones sexism or misogyny.

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 11th September 08:32

[TeamD]

"Daily Mail in 'Up-Her-Self Tart plays the Sexism card shocker!'"

Yawn

[WinstonWolf]

CorbynFTW said:

Gargamel said:

Soov535 said:

This is all going to end SO badly for her.

That almost sounds like you are going to make sure of that....

Soov... A middle aged, male, law man...



Hmmmm

He's also bang on the money, seems her publicising personal stuff has bought her judgement into question and cost her briefs (sic).

[technodup]

If she wanted less attention from men then she should have maybe used this photo, which is more representative. Baby face with the hair and dress sense of a spinster. You won't need to look far on LinkedIn to find someone more attractive (and almost certainly more receptive).

[anonymous-user]

OK, OK. If nobody else will, I'll do it.

[Puggit]

joe_90 said:

Now found to have double standards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229951/Oo...

Mail link, but they love digging into this ste.

And look what the Telegraph have found, it appears she is a raving feminist: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11857210/La...

[TeamD]

technodup said:

If she wanted less attention from men then she should have maybe used this photo, which is more representative. Baby face with the hair and dress sense of a spinster. You won't need to look far on LinkedIn to find someone more attractive (and almost certainly more receptive).

Is it just me or does she look a tad on the lardy side? or is that fatist? (Another card for her to play.)

[AngryPartsBloke]

technodup said:

If she wanted less attention from men then she should have maybe used this photo, which is more representative. Baby face with the hair and dress sense of a spinster. You won't need to look far on LinkedIn to find someone more attractive (and almost certainly more receptive).

Are you for real?

Do you really think the old "Well if they don't want the attention they should'nt dress like/look like X/Y/Z' is acceptable?

[technodup]

If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).

I'm guessing she's not seen very many but surely she's heard of circumcision?

[andy-xr]

technodup said:

If she wanted less attention from men then she should have maybe used this photo, which is more representative. Baby face with the hair and dress sense of a spinster. You won't need to look far on LinkedIn to find someone more attractive (and almost certainly more receptive).

You know, that's a really fked up way of thinking.

[ClaphamGT3]

He was very stupid and a little bit creepy

She demonstrated that she has no judgement or sense of proportion.

Both come out of this very badly.

[budgie smuggler]

technodup said:

If men and women were truly equal, she said, “men’s genitals would be sliced up” in the same way that some women are subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM).

I'm guessing she's not seen very many but surely she's heard of circumcision?

Not the same though, is it? Unless they've started chopping off the bellend then stitching back up over the top with a tiny hole left to piss through of course.

[kev1974]

joe_90 said:

Now found to have double standards:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229951/Oo...

Mail link, but they love digging into this ste.

Hope people are taking note of just how far they've gone to keep this story alive.
They're not just raking through the two main players' own linkedins and tweets, but also searching through the facebooks/linkedins/tweets/etc of all the "once removed" people (those who are one step away from the two main people) to find what they might have commented on. And then happily publishing photos of people who are nothing to do with the story at all.

Lots of lessons here about keeping your head well down on social media!

Still, it's successfully distracted the DM from all the Immigrant stories and daily Camilla Batman charity revelations.