RE: Netflix 'Schumacher' documentary previewed
Discussion
Trackdayer said:
He is very successful for sure. But absolutely nothing like Schumacher or Senna.
Absolutely agree with this. Hamilton can't be really compared with Schumacher - totally different era's. The film is a great insight into Schumacher's work ethic, leadership etc and who he was as a person. Remarkable how he transformed Ferrari. The film also makes you realise how dull F1 is nowadays compared to the sport in the 90's - which was still very dangerous, but you had the spectator track invasions, donuts and burnouts from the winning driver. The sport was exciting.
Not taking away from Hamilton as he's clearly very talented but the cars of the last 10 years are computer guided missiles with pilots and the difference talented drivers make is less than it was in the preceding era's. Again, different era's so not really comparable but for me, Schumacher remains as the most rounded talent ever to grace an F1 car.
I think the (admittedly) amazing recovery at Ferrari was more down to Brawn (for the car) and Todt (for getting the right people). MS stands out as he didn't really have a team mate to challenge him.
I think they glossed over a lot of his 'competitive errors', apart from the Villeneuve incident ('stalling' at Monaco anyone?), but I enjoyed it all the same and saw a different side to him.
I'd like to know what his medical condition is, no photos - just a brief statement (which I don't think we've ever had) saying what the situation is. It's just curiosity on my part, but I think those people who've supported him over the years deserve that.
I think they glossed over a lot of his 'competitive errors', apart from the Villeneuve incident ('stalling' at Monaco anyone?), but I enjoyed it all the same and saw a different side to him.
I'd like to know what his medical condition is, no photos - just a brief statement (which I don't think we've ever had) saying what the situation is. It's just curiosity on my part, but I think those people who've supported him over the years deserve that.
Dashnine said:
I'd like to know what his medical condition is, no photos - just a brief statement (which I don't think we've ever had) saying what the situation is. It's just curiosity on my part, but I think those people who've supported him over the years deserve that.
I think the fact that Mick was saying that it's a shame he can't have a "motorsport conversation" with his Father and Corinna says "he is with us - just different" tells who all you need to know. A great shame for such a fabulous, close knit family and Corinna is to be completely admired for her stance on his private life.It was hard to match the fun family guy with the ruthless, arrogant professional he came across as when he was racing. His work ethic has to be admired though. There can't have been a greater contrast between him and Eddie Irvine!
But you have to feel so sorry for the family. It's a dreadful situation and from what Mick said it sounds like his Dad can't even respond.
But you have to feel so sorry for the family. It's a dreadful situation and from what Mick said it sounds like his Dad can't even respond.
not sure if its been corrected, but someone posted about how Schumi hit DC on a wet track in SPA and it was Schumi's fault.
actually thats totally wrong
DC was being lapped (schumacher had actually lapped almost everyone!) , DC was on the racing line in pouring/foul weather and instead of moving out of the way when Schumi came up behind, he lifted , an utterly stupid thing to do , in the dry let alone the wet, and totally incorrect thing to do when being lapped on the straight. IIRC also, Mika, DCs teammate was in the title fight against schumi.
DC decades later finally apologised, and when this was mentioned to Schumacher while he was on his comeback with Mercedes he simply said ' about time '
rider73 said:
DC was being lapped (schumacher had actually lapped almost everyone!) , DC was on the racing line in pouring/foul weather and instead of moving out of the way when Schumi came up behind, he lifted , an utterly stupid thing to do , in the dry let alone the wet, and totally incorrect thing to do when being lapped on the straight. IIRC also, Mika, DCs teammate was in the title fight against schumi.
My memory is hazy but didn't McLaren provide a throttle trace that showed he hadn't lifted? Maybe that he hadn't braked as that was the initial accusation.Candellara said:
I think the fact that Mick was saying that it's a shame he can't have a "motorsport conversation" with his Father and Corinna says "he is with us - just different" tells who all you need to know. A great shame for such a fabulous, close knit family and Corinna is to be completely admired for her stance on his private life.
Yeh I read into that the same, real shame for Mick, he could of done with his dad in his corner now. Candellara said:
Absolutely agree with this. Hamilton can't be really compared with Schumacher - totally different era's. The film is a great insight into Schumacher's work ethic, leadership etc and who he was as a person. Remarkable how he transformed Ferrari.
The film also makes you realise how dull F1 is nowadays compared to the sport in the 90's - which was still very dangerous, but you had the spectator track invasions, donuts and burnouts from the winning driver. The sport was exciting.
Not taking away from Hamilton as he's clearly very talented but the cars of the last 10 years are computer guided missiles with pilots and the difference talented drivers make is less than it was in the preceding era's. Again, different era's so not really comparable but for me, Schumacher remains as the most rounded talent ever to grace an F1 car.
There were a lot of those same arguments in the 90s - semi-auto boxes, traction control, active suspension for a while. I think Hill in particular was not given sufficient credit for his career at Williams, and the general opinion bandied about was that the car practically drove itself. Especially compared to the fire breathing monsters that were wrestled around tracks in the 80sThe film also makes you realise how dull F1 is nowadays compared to the sport in the 90's - which was still very dangerous, but you had the spectator track invasions, donuts and burnouts from the winning driver. The sport was exciting.
Not taking away from Hamilton as he's clearly very talented but the cars of the last 10 years are computer guided missiles with pilots and the difference talented drivers make is less than it was in the preceding era's. Again, different era's so not really comparable but for me, Schumacher remains as the most rounded talent ever to grace an F1 car.
I agree though, hard to compare different eras, all they can do is be the best of their generation which I would say both Schumacher and Hamilton both were
As for personal opinion, and using an analogy I once read about Ali in boxing, if you took the greatest drivers across the last 40 years - Hamilton/Schumacher/Senna/Prost/Lauda and maybe a few others - and got them to race a full season in the same cars with the same support, then I believe Senna would be champion by the end. He just had that extra special something for me
Dashnine said:
I think the (admittedly) amazing recovery at Ferrari was more down to Brawn (for the car) and Todt (for getting the right people). MS stands out as he didn't really have a team mate to challenge him.
none of the "greats" of the modern era had this anyway, and when they did , it was chaos - Senna/Prost, Mansell/Piquet , Alonso/Hamilton Rosberg/Hamilton .just finished watching it - yeah it was ok, nothing new for the avid F1 fan of that era as such - no real hard questions to anyone involved about him overstepping the mark - One thing i liked, was how they showed and interviewed an ordinary mechanic and that gave an insight into MS, his work ethic, his dedication in everything, from testing to the man feeding him pasta, and everything he did that wasnt just about winning the title - no mention of his $10million dollar donation to help tsunami victims, nor his other charity work he did - feels like they are still keeping things at a distance and showing what they want to show - which in itself is fine, as these series have shown, its shows the side they want to show, and isnt a critique of the person/era involved.
(although the Lance Armstrong's ones certainly did that!)
rider73 said:
Dashnine said:
I think the (admittedly) amazing recovery at Ferrari was more down to Brawn (for the car) and Todt (for getting the right people). MS stands out as he didn't really have a team mate to challenge him.
none of the "greats" of the modern era had this anyway, and when they did , it was chaos - Senna/Prost, Mansell/Piquet , Alonso/Hamilton Rosberg/Hamilton .RicksAlfas said:
mylesmcd said:
Eddie Irvine nearly won the championship when Shui broke his leg at Silverstone remember! Until the car mysteriously broke down on track....
Didn't they fluff some pit stops as well? 
mylesmcd said:
rider73 said:
Dashnine said:
I think the (admittedly) amazing recovery at Ferrari was more down to Brawn (for the car) and Todt (for getting the right people). MS stands out as he didn't really have a team mate to challenge him.
none of the "greats" of the modern era had this anyway, and when they did , it was chaos - Senna/Prost, Mansell/Piquet , Alonso/Hamilton Rosberg/Hamilton .
rider73 said:
ffs - go actually look at that season will you before posting crap like this - Schumacher came back and actually tried to help Irvine win the title, would Ferrari throw away a constructor or title win for Schumacher - get real - Irvine just was not good enough to win - Irvine left Ferrari and went into oblivion having earned handsomely from driving as #2
I’ll have you know that Irv the Swerve subsequently dated Pamela Anderson, and was then sentenced to 6 months in clink for chinning the Milan mayor’s son after trying it on with his girlfriend. Oblivion schmoblivion! 
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