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Re: Oscar, I thought I heard him say in the cool down room that he did the same in previous laps, has anyone been able to confirm that telemetry?
If we are just looking at the outcome, then on that basis Danny R should have been penalised for braking into the corner when Lance went right up his backside under the SC that time............
I think the speed drop was huge of course too but then again as above, what was the speed drop on other laps?
If we are just looking at the outcome, then on that basis Danny R should have been penalised for braking into the corner when Lance went right up his backside under the SC that time............
I think the speed drop was huge of course too but then again as above, what was the speed drop on other laps?
Nova Gyna said:
That is pretty damning of the stewarding decision I think! Similar braking profile traces overlaid over two laps. Safety car late to turn off lights. Verstappen's lack of lock-up, brake trace lighter than the previous lap, shows he was surprised not really shocked - although I do not think he did so to deliberately claim a foul, I could not be 100% certain, as he is a stompy foot, hissy fit, cynical girlie hair flicker a lot of the time...PhilAsia said:
Nova Gyna said:
That is pretty damning of the stewarding decision I think! Similar braking profile traces overlaid over two laps. Safety car late to turn off lights. Verstappen's lack of lock-up, brake trace lighter than the previous lap, shows he was surprised not really shocked - although I do not think he did so to deliberately claim a foul, I could not be 100% certain, as he is a stompy foot, hissy fit, cynical girlie hair flicker a lot of the time...Verstappen had already got his hands off the wheel complaining before the incident complaining at 2:36.
With the lack of braking Verstappen did when Oscar slowed, compared to his previous laps, I'm now agreeing thats Verstappen being very clever and trying to get the driver in front a penalty again
PhilAsia said:
although I do not think he did so to deliberately claim a foul, I could not be 100% certain, as he is a stompy foot, hissy fit, cynical girlie hair flicker a lot of the time...
He giveth and he taketh away 
Nova Gyna said:
On this, he's quite selective with his footage, doesn't show what happened to Hulk where he had to take to the grass to avoid another car (Gasly or Stroll I think). For me on this, I think for those saying 10s is harsh, the stewards historically (those stewards famous for consistency) have given larger penalties for anything deemed safety related, rather than racing related. I can't remember what it was, but didn't Russell get a drive-through a couple of years ago that appeared really harsh, and then it was said anything safety related they give bigger penalties.
Either way, I think a penalty is fair here. Years ago when Vettel left a big gap behind the safety car so Webber could pit, he got a drive-through, so maybe 10s isn't that bad compared to what they've done in the past for anything safety related.
jimmsy said:
On this, he's quite selective with his footage, doesn't show what happened to Hulk where he had to take to the grass to avoid another car (Gasly or Stroll I think).
For me on this, I think for those saying 10s is harsh, the stewards historically (those stewards famous for consistency) have given larger penalties for anything deemed safety related, rather than racing related. I can't remember what it was, but didn't Russell get a drive-through a couple of years ago that appeared really harsh, and then it was said anything safety related they give bigger penalties.
Either way, I think a penalty is fair here. Years ago when Vettel left a big gap behind the safety car so Webber could pit, he got a drive-through, so maybe 10s isn't that bad compared to what they've done in the past for anything safety related.
I agree.For me on this, I think for those saying 10s is harsh, the stewards historically (those stewards famous for consistency) have given larger penalties for anything deemed safety related, rather than racing related. I can't remember what it was, but didn't Russell get a drive-through a couple of years ago that appeared really harsh, and then it was said anything safety related they give bigger penalties.
Either way, I think a penalty is fair here. Years ago when Vettel left a big gap behind the safety car so Webber could pit, he got a drive-through, so maybe 10s isn't that bad compared to what they've done in the past for anything safety related.
Any discussion about what Piastri did on previous lap is irrelevant because it was a different situation with the safety car lights out.
The situation was initiated by the safety car lights going out very late in the lap but Piastri should have taken more care.
jimmsy said:
For me on this, I think for those saying 10s is harsh, the stewards historically (those stewards famous for consistency) have given larger penalties for anything deemed safety related, rather than racing related. I can't remember what it was, but didn't Russell get a drive-through a couple of years ago that appeared really harsh, and then it was said anything safety related they give bigger penalties.
Either way, I think a penalty is fair here. Years ago when Vettel left a big gap behind the safety car so Webber could pit, he got a drive-through, so maybe 10s isn't that bad compared to what they've done in the past for anything safety related.
This is reasonable I think - penalty was nailed on but not the full whack of 10s.Either way, I think a penalty is fair here. Years ago when Vettel left a big gap behind the safety car so Webber could pit, he got a drive-through, so maybe 10s isn't that bad compared to what they've done in the past for anything safety related.
This maybe way off the mark but I think what happened at Japan over a decade ago still stalks the sport when it's raining (not the same situation but conditions in general)
There was gamesmanship going on from both Piastri and Max (choose your villain) but Piastri is in control once those lights go out and playing it cute in the wet gets everyone very nervous at the FIA regardless of the safety improvements and track protocols, Piastri has done this quite a few times this season probably in reaction to the way Max likes to crowd the lead car in these situations, you can say the lights went out too late and that he needed to slow down to create a gap but I don't think the incident was looked at in isolation from either past actions or the weather conditions.
I think Max made a meal of it on purpose and Piastri tried to catch him out, I think had it been dry there would have been no further action.
t when he's second in the safety car queue. Byker28i said:
PhilAsia said:
Nova Gyna said:
That is pretty damning of the stewarding decision I think! Similar braking profile traces overlaid over two laps. Safety car late to turn off lights. Verstappen's lack of lock-up, brake trace lighter than the previous lap, shows he was surprised not really shocked - although I do not think he did so to deliberately claim a foul, I could not be 100% certain, as he is a stompy foot, hissy fit, cynical girlie hair flicker a lot of the time...Verstappen had already got his hands off the wheel complaining before the incident complaining at 2:36.
With the lack of braking Verstappen did when Oscar slowed, compared to his previous laps, I'm now agreeing thats Verstappen being very clever and trying to get the driver in front a penalty again
If Oscar has done it twice then he should consider himself fortunate he didn't receive a penalty the 1st time and move on.
jimmsy said:
On this, he's quite selective with his footage, doesn't show what happened to Hulk where he had to take to the grass to avoid another car (Gasly or Stroll I think).
selective footage from lap 21 safety car in ...Hulkenberg Stroll incident was the lap 17 one- if the stewards had issues with Piastri's driving, that was the time to warn or penalise him- although no one else seemed to have any issues & watching every other onboard it all seems quite sensible behindi initially thought it was a slam dunk penalty at the time, but from Palmers analysis with telemetry that the stewards would certainly have also had access to, it now looks harsh ...& to me, looks like another case of stewards rushing a decision which is based on outcome/ Verstappens moaning
anonymous_user said:
selective footage from lap 21 safety car in ...Hulkenberg Stroll incident was the lap 17 one- if the stewards had issues with Piastri's driving, that was the time to warn or penalise him- although no one else seemed to have any issues & watching every other onboard it all seems quite sensible behind
i initially thought it was a slam dunk penalty at the time, but from Palmers analysis with telemetry that the stewards would certainly have also had access to, it now looks harsh ...& to me, looks like another case of stewards rushing a decision which is based on outcome/ Verstappens moaning
123456i initially thought it was a slam dunk penalty at the time, but from Palmers analysis with telemetry that the stewards would certainly have also had access to, it now looks harsh ...& to me, looks like another case of stewards rushing a decision which is based on outcome/ Verstappens moaning
isaldiri said:
This is reasonable I think - penalty was nailed on but not the full whack of 10s.
According to that list of penalties the FIA published last week, he could have got a drive-through or 10s stop/go penalty for this offence, so a simple 10s time penalty is getting off lightly.thegreenhell said:
isaldiri said:
This is reasonable I think - penalty was nailed on but not the full whack of 10s.
According to that list of penalties the FIA published last week, he could have got a drive-through or 10s stop/go penalty for this offence, so a simple 10s time penalty is getting off lightly.
anonymous_user said:
jimmsy said:
On this, he's quite selective with his footage, doesn't show what happened to Hulk where he had to take to the grass to avoid another car (Gasly or Stroll I think).
selective footage from lap 21 safety car in ...Hulkenberg Stroll incident was the lap 17 one- if the stewards had issues with Piastri's driving, that was the time to warn or penalise him- although no one else seemed to have any issues & watching every other onboard it all seems quite sensible behindi initially thought it was a slam dunk penalty at the time, but from Palmers analysis with telemetry that the stewards would certainly have also had access to, it now looks harsh ...& to me, looks like another case of stewards rushing a decision which is based on outcome/ Verstappens moaning
He's quite the Milky Bar Kid!
anonymous_user said:
jimmsy said:
On this, he's quite selective with his footage, doesn't show what happened to Hulk where he had to take to the grass to avoid another car (Gasly or Stroll I think).
selective footage from lap 21 safety car in ...Hulkenberg Stroll incident was the lap 17 one- if the stewards had issues with Piastri's driving, that was the time to warn or penalise him- although no one else seemed to have any issues & watching every other onboard it all seems quite sensible behindi initially thought it was a slam dunk penalty at the time, but from Palmers analysis with telemetry that the stewards would certainly have also had access to, it now looks harsh ...& to me, looks like another case of stewards rushing a decision which is based on outcome/ Verstappens moaning
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