Who to play the next Bond, James bond?
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Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running 
Mr-B said:
Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running Patch1875 said:
Mr-B said:
Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running sparks_E46 said:
Patch1875 said:
Mr-B said:
Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running r11co said:
sparks_E46 said:
Patch1875 said:
Mr-B said:
Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running p1stonhead said:
r11co said:
sparks_E46 said:
Patch1875 said:
Mr-B said:
Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running 99dndd said:
The 'basic idea' of James Bond is that he's a white, British spy. If you remember back to Hellboy, people don't like it when a character of one race is played by an actor from another: https://deadline.com/2017/08/hellboy-rise-of-the-b...
Only when it's a white person cast into a role previously played by, or a character originally written as being of another ethnicity.Plenty of white characters have been re-cast using actors from another ethnicity with little backlash - this is just a few:
Sam Jackson - Nick Fury
Michael B Jordan - Johnny Storm
Halle Berry - Cat Woman
Idris Elba - Heimdall
Laurence Fishburne - Perry White (Superman)
Naomie Harris - Eve Moneypenny
Will Smith - Dr. Robert Neville (I am Legend)
Morgan Freemen - Red (Shawshank Redemption)
Billy Dee Williams - Harvey Dent
Michael Clarke Duncan - Kingpin
Yasiin Bey - Ford Prefect
Quvenzhané Wallis and Jamie Fox - Annie and Will Stacks
If it generally doesn't matter what race plays a fictional character - surely it works both ways. I understand that historically roles have been whitewashed to a degree - but today, many minorities are fairly well represented in Hollywood (at least compared to the US demographics from which most Hollywood actors are selected).
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/30000-hollywoo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Un...
Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 14th August 09:00
99dndd said:
p1stonhead said:
r11co said:
sparks_E46 said:
Patch1875 said:
Mr-B said:
Europa1 said:
I see the Idris Elba speculation has been resurrected by the BBC News website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45161852
I heard yesterday he was defo out of the running 
Nic Fury is an interesting one since the MCU Fury is based on the ultimate Fury who was/is black and was based on an actor called Sam Jackson who went onto playing himself as NIck Fury in the MCU. 
p1stonhead said:
He is a British Spy and that is all. Irrelevant if he is white or not in future films.
quite, the only bit that's relevant is the 'brit' bit.I think that sadly, we have reached the point where neither "side" will be happy now, either its SJW nonsense, or a lack of diversity..
Most people probably won't care either way. The Bond franchise has withstood a number of challenges from many sides - but it took an Australian man as Bond rather well early on, it took a female M in its stride, and its first female "villain" didn't raise too many eyebrows either. Mainly because at all those times, the internet didn't really exist at all in the way it does now.
My own selfish side that thinks now, casting a black actor as Bond would be wrong, because I love the franchise, despite all of its faults. I don't want to see it subject to the number of ridiculous accusations from angry. shouty types who, despite having no bearing on the success of the film, its script, direction or marketing, will manage to get their voices heard too much and detract from "The Bond Experience" as I know it, which is that you get a hint of who it might be, lots of speculation, a big announcement, lots of teaser shots, location shots, followed by inevitable disappointment after their second or third outing in the role fails to live up to earlier success... then the whole process starts up again and we can enjoy it some more. Remember the furore surrounding Craig because he was blond? That was before Reddit, Facebook and Twitter came along and dominated the shouty space.
Those of us who enjoy the Bond films want to see the same thing again and again with a good story in between the appropriate elements: Exciting stunt filled opening sequence, introduction of the baddie and the motives, the meeting between the Bond and an attractive girl, the meeting between Bond and the baddie where he kills the girl, more stunts with an Aston Martin, meeting the proper girl, overcoming the adversity the baddie has put them in, inevitable final big sequence where the baddie dies, and then Bond and the girl where he's necking her. Throw in the right number of witty one-liners, defiance of orders, neat gadgets, and we are generally happy.
Most people probably won't care either way. The Bond franchise has withstood a number of challenges from many sides - but it took an Australian man as Bond rather well early on, it took a female M in its stride, and its first female "villain" didn't raise too many eyebrows either. Mainly because at all those times, the internet didn't really exist at all in the way it does now.
My own selfish side that thinks now, casting a black actor as Bond would be wrong, because I love the franchise, despite all of its faults. I don't want to see it subject to the number of ridiculous accusations from angry. shouty types who, despite having no bearing on the success of the film, its script, direction or marketing, will manage to get their voices heard too much and detract from "The Bond Experience" as I know it, which is that you get a hint of who it might be, lots of speculation, a big announcement, lots of teaser shots, location shots, followed by inevitable disappointment after their second or third outing in the role fails to live up to earlier success... then the whole process starts up again and we can enjoy it some more. Remember the furore surrounding Craig because he was blond? That was before Reddit, Facebook and Twitter came along and dominated the shouty space.
Those of us who enjoy the Bond films want to see the same thing again and again with a good story in between the appropriate elements: Exciting stunt filled opening sequence, introduction of the baddie and the motives, the meeting between the Bond and an attractive girl, the meeting between Bond and the baddie where he kills the girl, more stunts with an Aston Martin, meeting the proper girl, overcoming the adversity the baddie has put them in, inevitable final big sequence where the baddie dies, and then Bond and the girl where he's necking her. Throw in the right number of witty one-liners, defiance of orders, neat gadgets, and we are generally happy.
nicanary said:
Elba pronounces the letter "h" like a 7-year old at primary school. Nuff said. Hardly the speech of a sophisticated man-about-town and deadly assassin.
(Ducks)
As somebody once sang, "Maybe it’s because ee’s a Londoner?"(Ducks)
Connery’s enunciation never seemed to get in the way of his playing the character.
Shakermaker said:
I think that sadly, we have reached the point where neither "side" will be happy now, either its SJW nonsense, or a lack of diversity..
Most people probably won't care either way. The Bond franchise has withstood a number of challenges from many sides - but it took an Australian man as Bond rather well early on, it took a female M in its stride, and its first female "villain" didn't raise too many eyebrows either. Mainly because at all those times, the internet didn't really exist at all in the way it does now.
But Australians are just Brits who wandered off a bit. You forgot the more successful tenure by an Irish-American...Most people probably won't care either way. The Bond franchise has withstood a number of challenges from many sides - but it took an Australian man as Bond rather well early on, it took a female M in its stride, and its first female "villain" didn't raise too many eyebrows either. Mainly because at all those times, the internet didn't really exist at all in the way it does now.
Halmyre said:
But Australians are just Brits who wandered off a bit. You forgot the more successful tenure by an Irish-American...
I just gave some examples of course... I grew up as a Brosnan era Bond guy, GoldenEye was the first Bond film I was able to see at the cinema, and of course at the time, being as I was only 11, it never really occurred to me that he wasn't "British"
Shakermaker said:
I think that sadly, we have reached the point where neither "side" will be happy now, either its SJW nonsense, or a lack of diversity..
It doesn't have to be though.If people stopped drawing attention to the fact that 'we're being soooo diverse' every time a black actor, women or LGBQT person is cast, and if people stop crying 'whitewash' or 'discrimination' each time a white person or non LGBQT person is cast (see Jack Whitehall furore) - I think most people would simply accept whomever was cast - as long as they did the role justice.
Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 14th August 11:44
p1stonhead said:
He is a British Spy and that is all. Irrelevant if he is white or not in future films.
Mmm, not quite.He's supposed to be half Scottish/half Swiss have attended public school and been a Commander in the Royal Navy.
Craig-era Bond has distorted the role into a bit of a former SBS action hero, but whilst I like Elba, I think it would take a stretch for me to see him as a former public schoolboy...
I watched an Anglo/French film (actually, perhaps French/US, as Elba played a CIA agent) called "The Take" and it looked very much like an audition for an Elba Bond.
Entertaining in a brain out way, but I can't see him as Bond personally.
That said, I didn't like the idea of Craig and he's done OK.
M
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