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There's a few of them for sale:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/j11restoration?_trksid=...
I'm guessing this is Paul Cowland' business?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/j11restoration?_trksid=...
I'm guessing this is Paul Cowland' business?
For 2 guys who are supposed to be specialists (or at least knowledgeable) about classic Beetles, the description on the ad for the convertable bug is not great:
"......With such a complete, solid and unmolested car we embarked on a process of meticulous conservation to preserve as much of the car’s originality and patina as possible. Most of the restoration work was done by VW patina restoration expert Mark Walker, with additional help from Hampshire based Dubworks. Mark painstakingly removed all of the black paint to reveal the factory yellow paint underneath and strove to retain as much original paintwork as possible."
The first 'yellow' didn't arrive until the 1965 (I thought it was '67, but a quick search on the samba someone reckons it was available as special order from '65) and was called yukon yellow, (which was mentioned in one of the ads but has since been removed). The bug being advertised is absolutely not a '65, as these had bigger windows. It's definately an early model as it has the smaller side windows.
Even hobby / basic dubbers know the difference between the small window bugs and later ones.
Even if Drew and Paul did miss this, surely the "VW patina restoration expert" would've spotted this'? It looks like it's a faded beryl green, which would match the year, but there's simply no way it's a factory yellow paint.
I didn't watch the episode so maybe they mentioned something about it then and it's just whoever wrote the sales ad who made a whoopsie??
"......With such a complete, solid and unmolested car we embarked on a process of meticulous conservation to preserve as much of the car’s originality and patina as possible. Most of the restoration work was done by VW patina restoration expert Mark Walker, with additional help from Hampshire based Dubworks. Mark painstakingly removed all of the black paint to reveal the factory yellow paint underneath and strove to retain as much original paintwork as possible."
The first 'yellow' didn't arrive until the 1965 (I thought it was '67, but a quick search on the samba someone reckons it was available as special order from '65) and was called yukon yellow, (which was mentioned in one of the ads but has since been removed). The bug being advertised is absolutely not a '65, as these had bigger windows. It's definately an early model as it has the smaller side windows.
Even hobby / basic dubbers know the difference between the small window bugs and later ones.
Even if Drew and Paul did miss this, surely the "VW patina restoration expert" would've spotted this'? It looks like it's a faded beryl green, which would match the year, but there's simply no way it's a factory yellow paint.
I didn't watch the episode so maybe they mentioned something about it then and it's just whoever wrote the sales ad who made a whoopsie??
Old_Skool_Fool said:
For 2 guys who are supposed to be specialists (or at least knowledgeable) about classic Beetles, the description on the ad for the convertable bug is not great:
"......With such a complete, solid and unmolested car we embarked on a process of meticulous conservation to preserve as much of the car’s originality and patina as possible. Most of the restoration work was done by VW patina restoration expert Mark Walker, with additional help from Hampshire based Dubworks. Mark painstakingly removed all of the black paint to reveal the factory yellow paint underneath and strove to retain as much original paintwork as possible."
The first 'yellow' didn't arrive until the 1965 (I thought it was '67, but a quick search on the samba someone reckons it was available as special order from '65) and was called yukon yellow, (which was mentioned in one of the ads but has since been removed). The bug being advertised is absolutely not a '65, as these had bigger windows. It's definately an early model as it has the smaller side windows.
Even hobby / basic dubbers know the difference between the small window bugs and later ones.
Even if Drew and Paul did miss this, surely the "VW patina restoration expert" would've spotted this'? It looks like it's a faded beryl green, which would match the year, but there's simply no way it's a factory yellow paint.
I didn't watch the episode so maybe they mentioned something about it then and it's just whoever wrote the sales ad who made a whoopsie??
It still says Yukon yellow in the advert above."......With such a complete, solid and unmolested car we embarked on a process of meticulous conservation to preserve as much of the car’s originality and patina as possible. Most of the restoration work was done by VW patina restoration expert Mark Walker, with additional help from Hampshire based Dubworks. Mark painstakingly removed all of the black paint to reveal the factory yellow paint underneath and strove to retain as much original paintwork as possible."
The first 'yellow' didn't arrive until the 1965 (I thought it was '67, but a quick search on the samba someone reckons it was available as special order from '65) and was called yukon yellow, (which was mentioned in one of the ads but has since been removed). The bug being advertised is absolutely not a '65, as these had bigger windows. It's definately an early model as it has the smaller side windows.
Even hobby / basic dubbers know the difference between the small window bugs and later ones.
Even if Drew and Paul did miss this, surely the "VW patina restoration expert" would've spotted this'? It looks like it's a faded beryl green, which would match the year, but there's simply no way it's a factory yellow paint.
I didn't watch the episode so maybe they mentioned something about it then and it's just whoever wrote the sales ad who made a whoopsie??
eccles said:
It still says Yukon yellow in the advert above.
Ah, yep, guess I'm the one who did the oopsie, probably shouldn't be posting at nearly 3 in the morning.It seems strange that they (or the person writing the advert) know about Yukon yellow (L19 K (35)), but can't do a simple search to see that there is something amiss with this being an early, small window '62 car.
I'm not sure what/if any links are allowed to be posted here, but there's some good archives of classic VW paint codes on the web, particularly on theSamba that aren't hard to find, especially for 'experts' like these guys are supposed to be.
Old_Skool_Fool said:
eccles said:
It still says Yukon yellow in the advert above.
Ah, yep, guess I'm the one who did the oopsie, probably shouldn't be posting at nearly 3 in the morning.It seems strange that they (or the person writing the advert) know about Yukon yellow (L19 K (35)), but can't do a simple search to see that there is something amiss with this being an early, small window '62 car.
I'm not sure what/if any links are allowed to be posted here, but there's some good archives of classic VW paint codes on the web, particularly on theSamba that aren't hard to find, especially for 'experts' like these guys are supposed to be.
Why not email them your concerns and see if they modify the advert?
eccles said:
They're not experts, they're classic car dealers. Pritchard is a VW fan, but even he may not go to full on nerd levels of when paint codes were introduced.
Why not email them your concerns and see if they modify the advert?
I only had a handful of bugs throughout the 90's, I'm definately not a nerd or an expert. I had my bug sprayed yellow in the 90's and looked at different paints, there were a few factory VW yellows, of which Yukon yellow was one of them, in the end I went for a Vauxhall colour that was current at the time.Why not email them your concerns and see if they modify the advert?
The term expert is subjective, I understand that, this is why I used ' '. The other guy was on another TV show where he did a VW bug (blue cal-look) and the viewers were told how he'd had numerous VW beetles throughout the years (I think they mentioned he'd had 19 bugs(?)).
Seeing as how these guys are portrayed on the TV, it just seemed weird how they could make this mistake, that's all, especially as they're dealers - surely someone they know could've fact checked the advert.
That's all it is, it just jumped out at me when I read the advert and I was surprised it's still there so long after the adverts had been posted.
Old_Skool_Fool said:
eccles said:
They're not experts, they're classic car dealers. Pritchard is a VW fan, but even he may not go to full on nerd levels of when paint codes were introduced.
Why not email them your concerns and see if they modify the advert?
I only had a handful of bugs throughout the 90's, I'm definately not a nerd or an expert. I had my bug sprayed yellow in the 90's and looked at different paints, there were a few factory VW yellows, of which Yukon yellow was one of them, in the end I went for a Vauxhall colour that was current at the time.Why not email them your concerns and see if they modify the advert?
The term expert is subjective, I understand that, this is why I used ' '. The other guy was on another TV show where he did a VW bug (blue cal-look) and the viewers were told how he'd had numerous VW beetles throughout the years (I think they mentioned he'd had 19 bugs(?)).
Seeing as how these guys are portrayed on the TV, it just seemed weird how they could make this mistake, that's all, especially as they're dealers - surely someone they know could've fact checked the advert.
That's all it is, it just jumped out at me when I read the advert and I was surprised it's still there so long after the adverts had been posted.
If you're into your VW stuff and have that level of money you'll know what you're looking at and knock them down accordingly.
The other market they're aiming at is the trendy trendy London/ Manchester type who has a lot of money to look cool, but no idea as to what he's bought, just as long as it's trendy and cool and they won't care when that colour paint was introduced, or what size the windows are.
eccles said:
I suppose you have to look at who the advert is aimed at.
If you're into your VW stuff and have that level of money you'll know what you're looking at and knock them down accordingly.
The other market they're aiming at is the trendy trendy London/ Manchester type who has a lot of money to look cool, but no idea as to what he's bought, just as long as it's trendy and cool and they won't care when that colour paint was introduced, or what size the windows are.
Apologies, don't mean to be argumentative but I can't see either of those markets for this car.If you're into your VW stuff and have that level of money you'll know what you're looking at and knock them down accordingly.
The other market they're aiming at is the trendy trendy London/ Manchester type who has a lot of money to look cool, but no idea as to what he's bought, just as long as it's trendy and cool and they won't care when that colour paint was introduced, or what size the windows are.
VW people wouldn't touch this with a bargepole at this price. A very similiar (US import, '65, never welded or repaired) white convertible was up on ebay very recently in open auction (as well as being advertised on specialists sites), didn't get close to half the asking price of this, despite quite a few bids.
It's not that this '62 is a bad car, it's just so overpriced and poorly advertised. I'd imagine if it was advertised better, more honest with a more realistic price it'd be sold quite easily. But are these guys going to knock £15k off a £25k asking price? I'm not sure they would.
The 'hipster' / 'I saw you coming crowd' can be a bit of a myth and I'd be surprised if they'd want something as 'tatty' as this. Patina sounds cool on antiques, but when people discover patina on a car means rust, it suddenly isn't so cool and desirable. They're more inclined to go for the shiney VW (nice paint, interior - everything looks shiney and new, reasonably priced), even though it's probably a rust bucket underneath.
Alot of the more money than sense people / lottery winners tend to go for the camper vans, albiet often with the same result - looks good for a few years, rust starts to come through, take it somewhere to get fixed, horror story emerges.
There's plenty of chancers who are willing to tart something up to try their luck. Business / people who search the world for the best RHD buses from dry climate countries, selling the dream of a magic 50 year old restored bus or bug that has defied the aging process in a country where correct repair panels have never been sold - amazing!
One of the oldest 'cons' in the aircooled VW scene.
The build threads on places like SSVC can show what horror stories await people, even those who are familiar with these cars / buses and have owned many of them, are not always exempt.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links (?) - apologies to site staff / mods if this is wrong, but here's a good example of what can lie in wait for something that, at first, doesn't seem to bad:
https://www.ssvc.org.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&am...
The flipside is that there are now many places that do outstanding restorations (like the place doing the above linked resto), nothing is too big for them, even if it means an entire new chassis. They're helped by a new availability of decent repair panels and a thorough record of the resto, essential if a buyer is to avoid the pitfalls.
Old_Skool_Fool said:
eccles said:
I suppose you have to look at who the advert is aimed at.
If you're into your VW stuff and have that level of money you'll know what you're looking at and knock them down accordingly.
The other market they're aiming at is the trendy trendy London/ Manchester type who has a lot of money to look cool, but no idea as to what he's bought, just as long as it's trendy and cool and they won't care when that colour paint was introduced, or what size the windows are.
Apologies, don't mean to be argumentative but I can't see either of those markets for this car.If you're into your VW stuff and have that level of money you'll know what you're looking at and knock them down accordingly.
The other market they're aiming at is the trendy trendy London/ Manchester type who has a lot of money to look cool, but no idea as to what he's bought, just as long as it's trendy and cool and they won't care when that colour paint was introduced, or what size the windows are.
VW people wouldn't touch this with a bargepole at this price. A very similiar (US import, '65, never welded or repaired) white convertible was up on ebay very recently in open auction (as well as being advertised on specialists sites), didn't get close to half the asking price of this, despite quite a few bids.
It's not that this '62 is a bad car, it's just so overpriced and poorly advertised. I'd imagine if it was advertised better, more honest with a more realistic price it'd be sold quite easily. But are these guys going to knock £15k off a £25k asking price? I'm not sure they would.
The 'hipster' / 'I saw you coming crowd' can be a bit of a myth and I'd be surprised if they'd want something as 'tatty' as this. Patina sounds cool on antiques, but when people discover patina on a car means rust, it suddenly isn't so cool and desirable. They're more inclined to go for the shiney VW (nice paint, interior - everything looks shiney and new, reasonably priced), even though it's probably a rust bucket underneath.
Alot of the more money than sense people / lottery winners tend to go for the camper vans, albiet often with the same result - looks good for a few years, rust starts to come through, take it somewhere to get fixed, horror story emerges.
There's plenty of chancers who are willing to tart something up to try their luck. Business / people who search the world for the best RHD buses from dry climate countries, selling the dream of a magic 50 year old restored bus or bug that has defied the aging process in a country where correct repair panels have never been sold - amazing!
One of the oldest 'cons' in the aircooled VW scene.
The build threads on places like SSVC can show what horror stories await people, even those who are familiar with these cars / buses and have owned many of them, are not always exempt.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links (?) - apologies to site staff / mods if this is wrong, but here's a good example of what can lie in wait for something that, at first, doesn't seem to bad:
https://www.ssvc.org.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&am...
The flipside is that there are now many places that do outstanding restorations (like the place doing the above linked resto), nothing is too big for them, even if it means an entire new chassis. They're helped by a new availability of decent repair panels and a thorough record of the resto, essential if a buyer is to avoid the pitfalls.
All the cars they advertise are really expensive, and I'm sure they are relying on the fact the car has been on telly, and the buyer might be when they pick it up. Clearly this doesn't work as some of these cars have been for sale for ages.
av185 said:
£40k.
Joke price.
Can't imagine for one minute it was a genuine bid or buyer.
Not a joke price for a mint one, that was probably a low to mid 30k car in reality, so not a joke price, especially when compared to this mint original low mileage car for sale at £42k.......Joke price.
Can't imagine for one minute it was a genuine bid or buyer.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1151835
I quite liked that Fiat, but it was a lot of work. The work done in having the door handles remade was interesting, though I'm surprised they did it that way rather than involving 3D printing in the job, and then it might have been less than £1000 for a pair. I wonder how much more expensive the bodywork would have been if it wasn't such a square design.
I'd have been disappointed at making £4k on it, for all the outlay and time spent - from a business point of view, doing two of the Mercs would have been more sensible. Nice that it was saved, though.
I'd have been disappointed at making £4k on it, for all the outlay and time spent - from a business point of view, doing two of the Mercs would have been more sensible. Nice that it was saved, though.
k and restored.....I know which one would get my money
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