2022 Barcelona F1 Testing Thread 23-25 February
Discussion
Fundoreen said:
Yes the red bull could be the car but its hilarious how it gets talked up for looking so amazing and innovative.
Meanwhile a lot of the other cars have the same shapes and ideas on them.
Time will tell if it's actually worth a damn but there's quite a lot of unique things on it, hence its been discussed a lot:Meanwhile a lot of the other cars have the same shapes and ideas on them.
-Double barge board
-Extreme front suspension geometry - look at the angle of the upper wishbone. Possibly designed to squash the wing into the floor on braking. It's the reverse of an anti dive set up
-Bi-plane rear beam wing
-Duck bill inlet
-The only car to have pull rod front and pushrod rear. Speculation the rear suspension mounted near the exhaust somehow may use the resultant heat to alter characteristics.
honda_exige said:
Fundoreen said:
Yes the red bull could be the car but its hilarious how it gets talked up for looking so amazing and innovative.
Meanwhile a lot of the other cars have the same shapes and ideas on them.
Time will tell if it's actually worth a damn but there's quite a lot of unique things on it, hence its been discussed a lot:Meanwhile a lot of the other cars have the same shapes and ideas on them.
-Double barge board
-Extreme front suspension geometry - look at the angle of the upper wishbone. Possibly designed to squash the wing into the floor on braking. It's the reverse of an anti dive set up
-Bi-plane rear beam wing
-Duck bill inlet
-The only car to have pull rod front and pushrod rear. Speculation the rear suspension mounted near the exhaust somehow may use the resultant heat to alter characteristics.
The Redbull's floor looks no more special than any of the other cars' to me - they're all slightly different but what they can do is so limited it's impossible to tell what will work best with the naked eye.
The sidepod inlets are an interesting idea, but seem more aimed at improving cooling configurability than any major aero concept difference from the other teams, and if the idea works they'd be pretty easy to retro-fit to any other car which falls well short of the legality box at the front of the side pods.
The main sidepod configuration doesn't seem hugely special, it's just a different point on the range we've seen across the cars - less undercut but less bulky than the Aston, more undercut but more bulky than the Mercedes.
The way they've used their floor inlet tunnel strakes is certainly interesting and is probably more fundamental to the way they're managing air-flow than the others. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.
Overall to me the Redbull doesn't really look any more extreme than any other car. Different yes, with a few interesting ideas which will have a small effect on performance one way or the other, but no stand-out features which look like they will be game changers. Personally I have no more idea of the performance order of the teams than I had before testing.
The sidepod inlets are an interesting idea, but seem more aimed at improving cooling configurability than any major aero concept difference from the other teams, and if the idea works they'd be pretty easy to retro-fit to any other car which falls well short of the legality box at the front of the side pods.
The main sidepod configuration doesn't seem hugely special, it's just a different point on the range we've seen across the cars - less undercut but less bulky than the Aston, more undercut but more bulky than the Mercedes.
The way they've used their floor inlet tunnel strakes is certainly interesting and is probably more fundamental to the way they're managing air-flow than the others. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.
Overall to me the Redbull doesn't really look any more extreme than any other car. Different yes, with a few interesting ideas which will have a small effect on performance one way or the other, but no stand-out features which look like they will be game changers. Personally I have no more idea of the performance order of the teams than I had before testing.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 26th February 08:46
This is German so you'll need the auto translate on, but it says the McLaren floor edge is the best of the bunch at fixing the porpoising issue, and that it's their floor that the others will copy for the next test. https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/bounc...
honda_exige said:
Haas have a spring and damper connecting the forward part of their floor to the main chassis.
I wonder if this has anything to do with porpoising control + how is it legal as doesn't the floor have to be rigidly fixed to the chassis?
Interestingly, dallara should have significant and recent experience of solving the issue, given their work on their P2 and DPi cars (the mk1 dallara LMP2 suffering from the issue hugely, fixed in the "joker" upgrade. That p2 was the fastest car on the track at the end of the mulsanne at 212 mph (>340kmh), which is a lot above the critical 290mph that that ex-f1 bloke in the quite above was referring to.I wonder if this has anything to do with porpoising control + how is it legal as doesn't the floor have to be rigidly fixed to the chassis?
Obvioueky, with so much dallara in the haas, you'd hope they'd have nailed it!
paulguitar said:
jimPH said:
So which cars are porpoising and how badly?
I saw a video of the Ferrari that looked like it was a ferry in the Bay of Biscay.jimPH said:
paulguitar said:
jimPH said:
So which cars are porpoising and how badly?
I saw a video of the Ferrari that looked like it was a ferry in the Bay of Biscay.Piginapoke said:
honda_exige said:
Fundoreen said:
Yes the red bull could be the car but its hilarious how it gets talked up for looking so amazing and innovative.
Meanwhile a lot of the other cars have the same shapes and ideas on them.
Time will tell if it's actually worth a damn but there's quite a lot of unique things on it, hence its been discussed a lot:Meanwhile a lot of the other cars have the same shapes and ideas on them.
-Double barge board
-Extreme front suspension geometry - look at the angle of the upper wishbone. Possibly designed to squash the wing into the floor on braking. It's the reverse of an anti dive set up
-Bi-plane rear beam wing
-Duck bill inlet
-The only car to have pull rod front and pushrod rear. Speculation the rear suspension mounted near the exhaust somehow may use the resultant heat to alter characteristics.
PhilAsia said:
jimPH said:
paulguitar said:
jimPH said:
So which cars are porpoising and how badly?
I saw a video of the Ferrari that looked like it was a ferry in the Bay of Biscay.
Piginapoke said:
PhilAsia said:
jimPH said:
paulguitar said:
jimPH said:
So which cars are porpoising and how badly?
I saw a video of the Ferrari that looked like it was a ferry in the Bay of Biscay.
McLaren and Ferrari reported to have found a solution. Im sure the other teams will be finding their own.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/105218/ferrari-and-...
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/105218/ferrari-and-...
Don1 said:
With all the changes trying to get closer raving - have we seen any evidence of the changes being able to do this yet? Sister teams running close to one another or anything like that?
Apparently Russell and Norris did a bit, and had stuff to say, albeit not much you can really meaningfully take from it.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/new-f1-cars-fa...
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