Brexit dark money?

[gooner1]

Dindoit said:

gooner1 said:

Dindoit said:

The underlying attitude of “so what? we won!” is quite terrifying tbh.

But you're perfectly fine with the far from underlying attitude of " we must overturn this democratic result by any means possible"?

Nope. I don’t want a second vote. I don’t want the result to be overturned. I want to make the best of a st situation.

However I am depressed by the “so what if Russia meddled in our democracy?” attitude displayed by many, especially the very people crowing about our sovereignty two minutes ago.

Do you, in all honesty, consider that the Referendum result has been treated respectfully, or
that "donations " from both sides, wherever the££££s have come fromhave influenced the result in any significant way?

How do we propose to hold further, GE's, for example, and be confident any party involved
has not been influenced by foreign elements?

[Dindoit]

gooner1 said:

Do you, in all honesty, consider that the Referendum result has been treated respectfully

How do you “respectfully” treat a result? The result was Leave. We’re leaving.

There are people on Leave side demanding a Hard Brexit. If Remain had won 52:48 and the government took it as a mandate to for a Hard Remain (Euro, Schengen, EU army etc.) do you think Leavers would have kept “respectfully” quiet and support the decision?

gooner1 said:

that "donations " from both sides, wherever the££££s have come from have influenced the result in any significant way?

In a 52:48 situation everything is significant. Persuade 2% of the electorate and you change the result.

People like Darren Grimes got caught breaking the rules.


People like Banks are under investigation and there is a whiff of a foreign power being involved. I don’t understand how Leavers aren’t outraged with this loss of sovereignty?

[powerstroke]

Dindoit said:

Nope. I don’t want a second vote. I don’t want the result to be overturned. I want to make the best of a st situation.

However I am depressed by the “so what if Russia meddled in our democracy?” attitude displayed by many, especially the very people crowing about our sovereignty two minutes ago.

But its ok for the EU, the last POTUS ,foreign banks , Etc to meddle ???
If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!
any other country becoming free from its masters is usually applauded...
Funny old would isn't it ....

[Dindoit]

powerstroke said:

If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!

Here’s another one. Like I said earlier the responses are depressingly predictable.

[powerstroke]

Dindoit said:

In a 52:48 situation everything is significant. Persuade 2% of the electorate and you change the result.

People like Darren Grimes got caught breaking the rules.


People like Banks are under investigation and there is a whiff of a foreign power being involved. I don’t understand how Leavers aren’t outraged with this loss of sovereignty?

Sorry when the remain lobby have thrown almost everything but the kitchen sink at changing minds ,sowing seeds of doubt and fake news, to attempt to derail brexit ,this Banks thing is just more of the same from the same fking elite that hates the fact things have changed without their say so..

[rscott]

powerstroke said:

Dindoit said:

Nope. I don’t want a second vote. I don’t want the result to be overturned. I want to make the best of a st situation.

However I am depressed by the “so what if Russia meddled in our democracy?” attitude displayed by many, especially the very people crowing about our sovereignty two minutes ago.

But its ok for the EU, the last POTUS ,foreign banks , Etc to meddle ???
If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!
any other country becoming free from its masters is usually applauded...
Funny old would isn't it ....

Big difference is that the EU, POTUS, etc all were very public in their actions and didn't try to conceal anything.
Whereas the allegations are that funding came from unknown sources, routed through offshore companies, etc.

[alfie2244]

powerstroke said:

Sorry when the remain lobby have thrown almost everything but the kitchen sink at changing minds ,sowing seeds of doubt and fake news, to attempt to derail brexit ,this Banks thing is just more of the same from the same fking elite that hates the fact things have changed without their say so..

Wonder what the Remoaners have up their sleeves next week?

[powerstroke]

Dindoit said:

powerstroke said:

If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!

Here’s another one. Like I said earlier the responses are depressingly predictable.

why didn't you quote my comment in full ??? your response is drearily predicable ,twist and mangle what people actually said
to suit your smug condescending I know best opinion ...

[bitchstewie]

powerstroke said:

Dindoit said:

Nope. I don’t want a second vote. I don’t want the result to be overturned. I want to make the best of a st situation.

However I am depressed by the “so what if Russia meddled in our democracy?” attitude displayed by many, especially the very people crowing about our sovereignty two minutes ago.

But its ok for the EU, the last POTUS ,foreign banks , Etc to meddle ???
If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!
any other country becoming free from its masters is usually applauded...
Funny old would isn't it ....

Is this a serious question or a wind-up?

[B'stard Child]

It's quite interesting when you start to did into where the spend went from both Remain and Leave

All the declared spending is available to download by campaign group

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/

If we look at Paid advertising thro Facebook, Twitter, Google plus Postal Costs, Newspaper advertising etc it's quite surprising

I'll add it in when I've collated by catagory better

Edited by B'stard Child on Saturday 3rd November 16:51

[PositronicRay]

powerstroke said:

But its ok for the EU, the last POTUS ,foreign banks , Etc to meddle ???
If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!
any other country becoming free from its masters is usually applauded...
Funny old would isn't it ....

A difference between an opinion openly expressed i.e. POTUS standing on his hind legs and addressing an audience or a power with an agenda pumping money in.


Although I do understand Vladimir Putin, may have an undercover philanthropic nature, and reputation for freedom and just causes.



ETA It would be quite ironic if it turns out Russia had helped free us from the EU tyranny.

Edited by PositronicRay on Saturday 3rd November 16:47

[edh]

Not-The-Messiah said:

So the system we have now is that the rich and powerful who can afford to put large amount of money into campaigns have far bigger say and influence of a democratic decisions than the poor for example.

You would think the progressive types, the types that are getting all upset at the unfair use of funds in a democratic decision. Would hate the fundamental idea that you can in principal buy a democratic decision. But no all they are worried about is, is the money legitimate and was the side I wanted to win affected by it.

I think most "progressive types" would like to see all individual donations strictly limited.

[Helicopter123]

Some leave supporters seem proud to be a Putin patsy?

Very odd indeed.

[tangerine_sedge]

powerstroke said:

If its true that Russia did try to influence why was it bad thing if they were helping us become independent !!!

I look forward to Uncle Putin helping out comrade Corbyn at the next election. I'm sure you'll be fine with that...

[Dr Jekyll]

Dindoit said:

People like Darren Grimes got caught breaking the rules.

Grimes' case hasn't come to court yet, and who are these 'people like?'.

[anonymous-user]

Dindoit said:

However I am depressed by the “so what if Russia meddled in our democracy?”

Have a word with yourself if this is making you depressed.

[citizensm1th]

B'stard Child said:

sorry guys i am a formating retard

Edited by B'stard Child on Saturday 3rd November 16:25

you plum

Edited by citizensm1th on Saturday 3rd November 22:29

[anonymous-user]

powerstroke said:

Sorry when the remain lobby have thrown almost everything but the kitchen sink at changing minds ,sowing seeds of doubt and fake news, to attempt to derail brexit ,this Banks thing is just more of the same from the same fking elite that hates the fact things have changed without their say so..

It hasn’t yet has it. A few more twists & turns to come

[gooner1]

Dindoit said:

gooner1 said:

Do you, in all honesty, consider that the Referendum result has been treated respectfully

How do you “respectfully” treat a result? The result was Leave. We’re leaving.

There are people on Leave side demanding a Hard Brexit. If Remain had won 52:48 and the government took it as a mandate to for a Hard Remain (Euro, Schengen, EU army etc.) do you think Leavers would have kept “respectfully” quiet and support the decision?

gooner1 said:

that "donations " from both sides, wherever the££££s have come from have influenced the result in any significant way?

In a 52:48 situation everything is significant. Persuade 2% of the electorate and you change the result.
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Let 's suppose that is correct, would it not also be right that if Remain had not had
been give "extra" funds by our government, that the win margin would have been much higher?
As to respecting a Remain win , yes I honestly believe Leave voters would, but as you apparently don't know how a result could be respected,I'm not sure why you posed the question
A Hard Remain, well as most of those items you mention are already fact, and others are in the pipeline, despite numerous previous denials, yes that's what we'd get. Sooner or later.

Edited by gooner1 on Saturday 3rd November 17:26

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

If remainers are worried about the future of the country then try having some constructive input into how we leave rather than looking for some stupid conspiracy theory or scare story to overturn the decision.

The best deal is the one we already have though.

Let's try and retain this, and then failing, limit the damage by keeping as much as we can while "leaving the EU"

1. chequers

Just like a parrot:
Chequers
Chequers
Chequers

Chequers is now a Dodo

Could you let the PM and Raab know please as both seem to be unaware of this news?