More cars you didn't know existed...

[Dapster]

Dbag101 said:

BMW did use an E34 M5 Touring as a development mule but that isnt it. Apparently it's hidden away at BMW somewhere.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28899/bmw-m5-wagon-w...

[MarkwG]

Dapster said:

Dbag101 said:

BMW did use an E34 M5 Touring as a development mule but that isnt it. Apparently it's hidden away at BMW somewhere.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28899/bmw-m5-wagon-w...

I expect a few people will recall Hartge putting the V12 in their H5s, as well as fitting various larger engines into other BMWs. Sadly no longer operating.

[Dapster]

MarkwG said:

Dapster said:

Dbag101 said:

BMW did use an E34 M5 Touring as a development mule but that isnt it. Apparently it's hidden away at BMW somewhere.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28899/bmw-m5-wagon-w...

I expect a few people will recall Hartge putting the V12 in their H5s, as well as fitting various larger engines into other BMWs. Sadly no longer operating.

And BMW using the E24 for the development of their own V12 that went into the 750.



And check out the arches!

[21st Century Man]

Not forgetting the V16

[Dapster]

21st Century Man said:

Not forgetting the V16

Amazing thing about the V16 Goldfisch was that it was a manual! Apparently the ZF auto couldn't handle the 450 + lb/ft of torque. The V16 was considered for the Mulsanne but was never used there either.

[Hobbes003]

BMW experimented with V8 and V12 engines when they developed the E23 7-series:

V8:


V12:


These images appeared in the 7-series sales brochure, as part of the "why we made the 745i a turbocharged 6-cylinder" section. That's the only time I've ever seen a brochure referring to a cancelled development effort.

[Dbag101]

Dapster said:

BMW did use an E34 M5 Touring as a development mule but that isnt it. Apparently it's hidden away at BMW somewhere.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28899/bmw-m5-wagon-w...

No one has seen it, there certainly aren’t many / any photos of it, no one is even entirely sure what colour it is. The best guess is that it’s silver, and that was a vague recollection from someone who watched a “wierd looking and sounding E34 M5 touring” at a test track.

[Dbag101]

[Silvanus]

Dbag101 said:

Love these, very cool

[Still Mulling]

Silvanus said:

Dbag101 said:

Love these, very cool

Ooh yes; not many of those about!

[gruffgriff]

Jankel wormhole image (thanks for the link!)
Just me getting DeTomaso Longchamps vibes?

[ajprice]

I saw one of these today, a JDM import. The badges on the back were Honda Spike, looking it up, Honda Freed comes up a lot, I'm not sure if they are different models or one name is a model and the other is a trim level, it looks like the Freed has rear quarter light glass and the Spike has a solid panel. The one I saw was black.

Honda Spike like the one I saw.


Honda Freed

[Dapster]

Dbag101 said:

Citroen used the in line 2.2 from the Peugeot 505 for the 4TC - only issue was that it had to be mounted in-line to fit the 4wd architecture, in a car designed for transverse engines. The result was an overhang that if you didn't know was real, you'd assume was a joke!





Poor build, poor performance and dodgy handling meant that Citroen only made 60 something road going cars vs the 200 they had to in order to homologate it, and many of those they were forced to buy back, making it a very rare and collectable car these days. Still, well below the value of the true Group B heroes. €90k will get you one compared to €600k for a Sport Quattro or €1m for a Delta S4 Stradale

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-citroen-b...

[tog]

FA57REN said:

Gratuitous photo of BRIXMIS 4x4 Senator having fun

Since Ferguson developed these Senators for the military, they took the opportunity to offer the Monza in 4x4 as well. I am not sure how many were made, but there was a feature in Classic & Sports Car a couple of years ago. They also offered it to Bitter, and two of the Senator-based Bitter SCs were built with Ferguson 4x4. I don't think either survive.

[Mark-C]

tog said:

FA57REN said:

Gratuitous photo of BRIXMIS 4x4 Senator having fun

Since Ferguson developed these Senators for the military, they took the opportunity to offer the Monza in 4x4 as well. I am not sure how many were made, but there was a feature in Classic & Sports Car a couple of years ago. They also offered it to Bitter, and two of the Senator-based Bitter SCs were built with Ferguson 4x4. I don't think either survive.

Interesting stuff - this thread often delivers facts I didn't know

[Dapster]

tog said:

.... there was a feature in Classic & Sports Car a couple of years ago....

https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/audi-quattro-vs-opel-monza-ff-all-weather-warriors

[rodericb]

Dapster said:

Dbag101 said:

Citroen used the in line 2.2 from the Peugeot 505 for the 4TC - only issue was that it had to be mounted in-line to fit the 4wd architecture, in a car designed for transverse engines. The result was an overhang that if you didn't know was real, you'd assume was a joke!





Poor build, poor performance and dodgy handling meant that Citroen only made 60 something road going cars vs the 200 they had to in order to homologate it, and many of those they were forced to buy back, making it a very rare and collectable car these days. Still, well below the value of the true Group B heroes. €90k will get you one compared to €600k for a Sport Quattro or €1m for a Delta S4 Stradale

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-citroen-b...

Wow, that white thing has some epic front overhang. Forget about getting up even remotely steep driveways - you'd have to plan your drive on normal roads in a hilly area!

[Hobbes003]

The 4TC still had the BX's hydropneumatic suspension with adjustable ride height.

[Risonax]

Sheer Rovers, the Range Rovers with the grafted on Rover SD1 lights, are reasonably familiar




But I'm not sure who did this



Is that a Granada front?

At the time, Ford was banned in the Gulf, for trading with Israel.

[MarkwG]

Risonax said:

Is that a Granada front?

At the time, Ford was banned in the Gulf, for trading with Israel.

A mk2 I think: the ban was lifted, I think in '87, perhaps that one is afterwards. or maybe parts weren't such an issue?