Bus gate - cash cow?
Discussion
saaby93 said:
bad company said:
This was the case when I won my tribunal against a local authority:-
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Has it been removed and replaced with some sort of traffic light system?https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The only reason these cash cows are installed is because they can call them a bus lane and put a camera on them.
If they couldnt do that theyd design something that does the job.
EazyDuz said:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
'Almost 350,000 fines were issued in less than a year.
The vast majority, more than 81 per cent of fines, were issued for just a 450 metre stretch of road.'
350,000 people vs one insufferable bellend on a car forum. I wonder who has a more accurate judgement on the adequacy of signage. Hmmm
Have you considered how many of those 350000 people adequately saw the signs and chose to ignore them thinking they wouldn't get caught? Must be some.'Almost 350,000 fines were issued in less than a year.
The vast majority, more than 81 per cent of fines, were issued for just a 450 metre stretch of road.'
350,000 people vs one insufferable bellend on a car forum. I wonder who has a more accurate judgement on the adequacy of signage. Hmmm
Have you also considered the number of people who saw the signs and were willing and able to comply with them? If you've saw the area prior to the Bus Gate it was considerably more than 1000 per day.
Wooda80 said:
the overwhelming majority of drivers are competent and observant enough to read and understand the signs, so hardly effective as a cash cow.
Really?! I beg to differ.MEN Article said:
Last summer, we revealed how the council has been catching out around a thousand motorists a day on Oxford Road, raking in an estimated £10million.
Almost 350,000 fines were issued in less than a year.
The vast majority, more than 81 per cent of fines, were issued for just a 450 metre stretch of road.
There were 138,805 fines between Hathersage Road and Nelson Street on Oxford Road and 143,094 between Whitworth Street West and Chepstow Street on Oxford Street....
...
Last year, we examined hundreds of appeals that had been taken by drivers to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, and found 88 per cent of those had been successful.
And 60pc of those successful appeals were due to inadequate signage.
Almost 350,000 fines were issued in less than a year.
The vast majority, more than 81 per cent of fines, were issued for just a 450 metre stretch of road.
There were 138,805 fines between Hathersage Road and Nelson Street on Oxford Road and 143,094 between Whitworth Street West and Chepstow Street on Oxford Street....
...
Last year, we examined hundreds of appeals that had been taken by drivers to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, and found 88 per cent of those had been successful.
And 60pc of those successful appeals were due to inadequate signage.
saaby93 said:
Another lot of drivers who need to take their driving tests again? Signs seem pretty clear.
PF62 said:
saaby93 said:
Another lot of drivers who need to take their driving tests again? Signs seem pretty clear.carl_w said:
PF62 said:
saaby93 said:
Another lot of drivers who need to take their driving tests again? Signs seem pretty clear.First sign "All Traffic" to turn right because in 35 yards no motor vehicles will be allowed to go straight on.
Second sign in 35 yards if you were too stupid/blind/following your sat nav informing you that no motor vehicles can go past this point (except buses and taxis).
How much notice do people need?
This is what people are actually driving through!
This is the approach to the restriction where it is bleedin obvious you have to turn right - https://goo.gl/maps/sLWBUFr4D8fga2sH6 and if you ignore that here is the restriction where it bleedin obvious you can't go on (but there is room to do a 3 point turn if needed) https://goo.gl/maps/aYhsdpyuCDZqrJVU6
Do people really not know what this means? -
PF62 said:
Yes.
First sign "All Traffic" to turn right because in 35 yards no motor vehicles will be allowed to go straight on.
Second sign in 35 yards if you were too stupid/blind/following your sat nav informing you that no motor vehicles can go past this point (except buses and taxis).
How much notice do people need?
This is what people are actually driving through!
This is the approach to the restriction where it is bleedin obvious you have to turn right - https://goo.gl/maps/sLWBUFr4D8fga2sH6 and if you ignore that here is the restriction where it bleedin obvious you can't go on (but there is room to do a 3 point turn if needed) https://goo.gl/maps/aYhsdpyuCDZqrJVU6
Do people really not know what this means? -
I bet quite a lot have absolutely no idea of a number of signs.First sign "All Traffic" to turn right because in 35 yards no motor vehicles will be allowed to go straight on.
Second sign in 35 yards if you were too stupid/blind/following your sat nav informing you that no motor vehicles can go past this point (except buses and taxis).
How much notice do people need?
This is what people are actually driving through!
This is the approach to the restriction where it is bleedin obvious you have to turn right - https://goo.gl/maps/sLWBUFr4D8fga2sH6 and if you ignore that here is the restriction where it bleedin obvious you can't go on (but there is room to do a 3 point turn if needed) https://goo.gl/maps/aYhsdpyuCDZqrJVU6
Do people really not know what this means? -
Vipers said:
PF62 said:
Yes.
First sign "All Traffic" to turn right because in 35 yards no motor vehicles will be allowed to go straight on.
Second sign in 35 yards if you were too stupid/blind/following your sat nav informing you that no motor vehicles can go past this point (except buses and taxis).
How much notice do people need?
This is what people are actually driving through!
This is the approach to the restriction where it is bleedin obvious you have to turn right - https://goo.gl/maps/sLWBUFr4D8fga2sH6 and if you ignore that here is the restriction where it bleedin obvious you can't go on (but there is room to do a 3 point turn if needed) https://goo.gl/maps/aYhsdpyuCDZqrJVU6
Do people really not know what this means? -
I bet quite a lot have absolutely no idea of a number of signs.First sign "All Traffic" to turn right because in 35 yards no motor vehicles will be allowed to go straight on.
Second sign in 35 yards if you were too stupid/blind/following your sat nav informing you that no motor vehicles can go past this point (except buses and taxis).
How much notice do people need?
This is what people are actually driving through!
This is the approach to the restriction where it is bleedin obvious you have to turn right - https://goo.gl/maps/sLWBUFr4D8fga2sH6 and if you ignore that here is the restriction where it bleedin obvious you can't go on (but there is room to do a 3 point turn if needed) https://goo.gl/maps/aYhsdpyuCDZqrJVU6
Do people really not know what this means? -
PF62 said:
saaby93 said:
Another lot of drivers who need to take their driving tests again? Signs seem pretty clear.What's the road layout like? It should be directing you to the right so its obvious you have to turn left to go straight on into the bus gate
Seems like a well thought out idea.
A controversial road closure scheme in Cheltenham which was criticised for bringing in £1.3m in fines has cost taxpayers £160,000 more than the income it has generated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestersh...
edit.
Oh and.
Air pollution on a road which is temporarily closed "to improve air quality" has never been monitored, a council has admitted.
The town is one of 33 areas in England with levels of air pollution that breach European Union targets.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestersh...
Why again, was this done?
A controversial road closure scheme in Cheltenham which was criticised for bringing in £1.3m in fines has cost taxpayers £160,000 more than the income it has generated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestersh...
edit.
Oh and.
Air pollution on a road which is temporarily closed "to improve air quality" has never been monitored, a council has admitted.
The town is one of 33 areas in England with levels of air pollution that breach European Union targets.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestersh...
Why again, was this done?
Edited by techguyone on Wednesday 21st August 09:36
saaby93 said:
Do you turn right before that sign or 35yds ahead?
What's the road layout like? It should be directing you to the right so its obvious you have to turn left to go straight on into the bus gate
The road layout is like this - What's the road layout like? It should be directing you to the right so its obvious you have to turn left to go straight on into the bus gate
So yes you do have to 'turn left' to go straight on as that means crossing the dotted lines, and all traffic has to turn right.
Dave Hedgehog said:
techguyone said:
Why again, was this done?
alt left socialist loonies want to ban personal car ownership so they implement as many anti car systems as they can using what ever rationale they can get away with such as emissions Car ownership and journeys by car have grown massively over the last 50 years owing to its convenience and relative affordability
There was massive investment in roads and infrastructure to support this.
As a result of increased capacity there was further growth in car ownership and journeys.
Further investment in capacity will likely result in similar increases in demand
There is now so much congestion in urban areas that the journeys are becoming unpleasant and less convenient.
Some people really want to travel by car
Some people really need to travel by car.
Some people neither really need nor really want to but do so because its the easiest or cheapest or most convenient way to travel. ( not necessarily all 3 at the same time )
If you make using a car less easy / less cheap / less convenient then some people will defect to other modes of transport which are easier / cheaper / more convenient
Changing habits is usually painful at first
Once the indifferent have been encouraged out of their cars there will be more space for those who really want or really need to use them
Edited by Wooda80 on Wednesday 21st August 20:15
The lefties always want to control where you can go and when you can go. They like timetables and routes, and ID cards. They hate cars because they are the ultimate expression of freedom because you can go anywhere at any time, and, due to the different brands available and power etc, the ultimate signifier of success or failure. And there’s nothing more these failures like than bad mouthing their betters.
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