Lewis Hamilton
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whatxd said:
travel is dangerous said:
yonex said:
LDN said:
You missed a ‘IMO’ 
Facts are seldom personal opinion 
fact - rosberg beat schumacher
Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
jonnyb said:
Is this the same Schumacher who took his team mates car when he couldn’t get his set up properly?
Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
So by the end of 1998 he was 113-5 vs his teammates in qualifying because he would steal their car if things weren't working in his, am I understanding you correctly?Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
whatxd said:
jonnyb said:
Is this the same Schumacher who took his team mates car when he couldn’t get his set up properly?
Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
So by the end of 1998 he was 113-5 vs his teammates in qualifying because he would steal their car if things weren't working in his, am I understanding you correctly?Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
He was a great driver, but he had it his way the vast majority of the time.
HTP99 said:
whatxd said:
jonnyb said:
Is this the same Schumacher who took his team mates car when he couldn’t get his set up properly?
Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
So by the end of 1998 he was 113-5 vs his teammates in qualifying because he would steal their car if things weren't working in his, am I understanding you correctly?Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
He was a great driver, but he had it his way the vast majority of the time.
whatxd said:
jonnyb said:
Is this the same Schumacher who took his team mates car when he couldn’t get his set up properly?
Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
So by the end of 1998 he was 113-5 vs his teammates in qualifying because he would steal their car if things weren't working in his, am I understanding you correctly?Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
jonnyb said:
whatxd said:
jonnyb said:
Is this the same Schumacher who took his team mates car when he couldn’t get his set up properly?
Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
So by the end of 1998 he was 113-5 vs his teammates in qualifying because he would steal their car if things weren't working in his, am I understanding you correctly?Would love to see what the haters would make of that if Hamilton did it now.
Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
From 1991 - 1998, Schumacher beat his teammates 113-5 in qualifying and had 2 titles. I don't know about you, but the only time I recall a Ferrari being "2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition" in the 90's was when it was raining
Everything you refer to came post 2000, by which time he was already a 3 time champion and had won over 40 races.
We can conclude that Schuey was somewhat overrated despite being an incredible talent... and that he employed questionable tactics though out his career; the likes of which would see drivers, today, lambasted. And that he enjoyed a car and a set of circumstances unlike any driver, before or since.
He’s in a class of his own alright. Still an unbelievable talent and he did move F1 forward.
He’s in a class of his own alright. Still an unbelievable talent and he did move F1 forward.
jonnyb said:
Schumachers team mate was not allowed to compete with Schumacher. Schumacher never shared real data with his team mate, data only went the other way. The car was designed around Schumacher. Schumacher got first dibs on all the development parts, and did the vast majority of the testing for Ferrari. All this to the point where Schumacher would take his team mates car if he had managed to set it up better than Schumacher did.
Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
Very true but he was not afforded that privilege because he was Michael Schumacher. He was afforded that privilege because he was rather good. Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
LDN said:
We can conclude that Schuey was somewhat overrated despite being an incredible talent... and that he employed questionable tactics though out his career; the likes of which would see drivers, today, lambasted. And that he enjoyed a car and a set of circumstances unlike any driver, before or since.
He’s in a class of his own alright. Still an unbelievable talent and he did move F1 forward.
Who is this proverbial we you refer to?He’s in a class of his own alright. Still an unbelievable talent and he did move F1 forward.
And I'd like to know which car and circumstances he enjoyed unlike any driver before or since, pre 2001.
yonex said:
LDN said:
You missed a ‘IMO’
Facts are seldom personal opinion It's interesting though that you really dislike Hamilton due to the stuff you listed, yet you don't mention having an issue with drivers who deliberately crashed into others for example. Is that not a bit of a knobbish thing to do, and would normally make you dislike someone?
mattyn1 said:
jonnyb said:
Schumachers team mate was not allowed to compete with Schumacher. Schumacher never shared real data with his team mate, data only went the other way. The car was designed around Schumacher. Schumacher got first dibs on all the development parts, and did the vast majority of the testing for Ferrari. All this to the point where Schumacher would take his team mates car if he had managed to set it up better than Schumacher did.
Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
Very true but he was not afforded that privilege because he was Michael Schumacher. He was afforded that privilege because he was rather good. Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
thegreenhell said:
mattyn1 said:
jonnyb said:
Schumachers team mate was not allowed to compete with Schumacher. Schumacher never shared real data with his team mate, data only went the other way. The car was designed around Schumacher. Schumacher got first dibs on all the development parts, and did the vast majority of the testing for Ferrari. All this to the point where Schumacher would take his team mates car if he had managed to set it up better than Schumacher did.
Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
Very true but he was not afforded that privilege because he was Michael Schumacher. He was afforded that privilege because he was rather good. Schumachers team mate was there to support Michel in his bid for the world championship. End of. This was at a time when the Ferrari was 2-5 seconds a lap quicker than the opposition, due to tyres, fuel, better chassis, ect. So the only person who could get close to Schumacher was the one person who wasn’t allowed to race him. Hence 113-5 on qualifying, and 7 world titles.
He was a great driver, but flattered by the circumstances.
I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
paulguitar said:
I don’t think many well informed F1 fans would deny the awesome talent of Schumacher. The points being made are that he had a set of circumstances not seen before or since that inflated his statistics and that he was almost completely devoid of morals, sportsmanship and ethics on the track.
I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
Mika had David Coulthard. I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
paulguitar said:
I don’t think many well informed F1 fans would deny the awesome talent of Schumacher. The points being made are that he had a set of circumstances not seen before or since that inflated his statistics and that he was almost completely devoid of morals, sportsmanship and ethics on the track.
I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
I kind of agree but every single multiple world champion has a nasty side. Rossi has it, Senna and Prost had it, Schumacher, beyond doubt. In the modern era Vettel has proven it and so has Hamilton. I kind of appreciate winners, they will do what it takes to get on the podium at the absolute limits of what is 'fair'.I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
yonex said:
paulguitar said:
I don’t think many well informed F1 fans would deny the awesome talent of Schumacher. The points being made are that he had a set of circumstances not seen before or since that inflated his statistics and that he was almost completely devoid of morals, sportsmanship and ethics on the track.
I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
I kind of agree but every single multiple world champion has a nasty side. Rossi has it, Senna and Prost had it, Schumacher, beyond doubt. In the modern era Vettel has proven it and so has Hamilton. I kind of appreciate winners, they will do what it takes to get on the podium at the absolute limits of what is 'fair'.I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
yonex said:
paulguitar said:
I don’t think many well informed F1 fans would deny the awesome talent of Schumacher. The points being made are that he had a set of circumstances not seen before or since that inflated his statistics and that he was almost completely devoid of morals, sportsmanship and ethics on the track.
I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
I kind of agree but every single multiple world champion has a nasty side. Rossi has it, Senna and Prost had it, Schumacher, beyond doubt. In the modern era Vettel has proven it and so has Hamilton. I kind of appreciate winners, they will do what it takes to get on the podium at the absolute limits of what is 'fair'.I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
d at times, on track; and over stepped the mark. MS most certainly went beyond the limit of what's fair.ELUSIVEJIM said:
paulguitar said:
I don’t think many well informed F1 fans would deny the awesome talent of Schumacher. The points being made are that he had a set of circumstances not seen before or since that inflated his statistics and that he was almost completely devoid of morals, sportsmanship and ethics on the track.
I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
Mika had David Coulthard. I suspect Mika Hakkinen would have amassed similar results given the setup Schuey had at Ferrari and would have done so with class, fairness and dignity.
And, came back to be 2 x WDC having had his throat slit at the side of the track to save his life.
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